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  1. I thought Lincy had a rubber arm…

    Comment by dborghardt6 — April 2, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  2. It will be interesting to project out Lincecum’s stats and see what happens in the next few years around him needing a new contract

    Matt Cain on the other hand has seen decreased velocity but increased effectiveness..What is Cain worth for his next contract?

    I projected out his stats through 2018 and then converted that into WAR and a fair value contract amount. Check out my numbers and analysis by clicking on my name.

    Comment by PeterMolinari — April 2, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  3. Cain just inked a 5 year deal with the Giants for 100MM plus a 7.5MM signing bonus. I think there may be a club option for year 6 as well. The Giants think that Cain is worth about 22 million a year, so there.

    Comment by fergie348 — April 2, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  4. If I were a gambling man, I’d say he’s worth about 5 years and 112.5 million. Pure conjecture, really

    Comment by YP — April 2, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  5. This probably means that the Lincecum extension or FA contract negotiations start at $25MM per. I’d imagine he’ll want at least a 5 year deal as well. Anyone out there willing to pay Timmy 5/125? That’s probably his ask.

    Comment by fergie348 — April 2, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  6. why gamble when you can click on peter’s name and find out his results? he even tells you to.

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — April 2, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

  7. My only question – why the hell would he tell us this?

    Want to save your arm from some of the damage of throwing the Slider, sure, knock yourself out. But sending a memo around to all the guys on the other bench seems, well, just foolish.

    Let them figure it out on their own, you moron…

    Comment by Darkstar — April 2, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  8. Unless he’s really not scrapping it – and he’s just going to use it when you least expect it. Genius..

    Comment by fergie348 — April 2, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

  9. I think this article is a bit misleading. Timmy actually said he hasn’t thrown the slider in a Spring Training GAME (he has in the bullpen) because he already has a great feel for it. He believes he has the best control over the slider.

    Now the fastball on the other hand…

    Comment by Nate — April 2, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  10. “But he’s leaving it in his back pocket to start the season. He said he doesn’t need the extra wrinkle.

    But there’s another reason he’ll limit himself to fastballs, curves and his signature split-change when he starts Friday’s season opener at Arizona.”

    Dunno, I see something more substantial than just ST usage.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — April 2, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  11. you realize that was sarcasm…as I quoted his exact contract terms?

    Comment by YP — April 2, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  12. “Seen in the prism of his reduced velocity this year, this could be a worrisome indicator of his underlying health.”

    Didn’t his velocity actually increase in 2011. I believe it was around the same level as it was during his 2009 Cy Young season.

    Comment by SF 55 for life — April 2, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  13. I find it hard to believe that he’d leave it off the table. If he’s in a jam at any point on opening day he’ll probably go back to the 4 pitch mix. Why would he limit himself?

    Comment by Mike — April 2, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  14. Timmayyy doesn’t need to throw 95 to dominate… If the Giants aren’t interested in paying him $125 over 5 years, I’m sure the Dodgers will…

    Kershaw and Lincecum… My gosh

    Comment by EM — April 2, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  15. conventional wisdom has it that the slider puts the most stress on the elbow because it doesn’t allow the pitcher to pronate upon delivery. I guess this makes sense, probably not worth the risk of injury for someone who uses it as sparingly as he does

    Comment by timtebow — April 2, 2012 @ 7:47 pm

  16. Unexplained velocity loss, scrapping his slider, change of approach for no reason, etc. These are all warning signs before learning of a pitchers arm problems.

    Comments like “he does not need to throw 95 to get outs” reminds me of Pineda before going on the DL.

    Comment by pft — April 2, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  17. “He can be fastidious about his delivery. He can use weight training to balance his body correctly. He can watch his nutrition.”

    -Not sure how much of this applies to Lincecum. He was famous for eating In ‘N Out burgers. He changed his diet, finally, in 2011, but not sure how much better it got. Just because he switched off fast food doesn’t mean he actually went on a nutritious diet. Also, last year was the first year he started taking training more seriously, too, adding his long toss regimen back in, etc.

    One wonders how he would do if he would take all the off-the-field baseball stuff as seriously as some others with fanatical work ethics. But then again, that can be said for some of the greatest players to ever play the game.

    Comment by Nivra — April 2, 2012 @ 9:56 pm

  18. I think it applies because of those decisions. As in, he’s trying these different things now, perhaps as he realizes that age will take velocity from him. And I also used ‘can’ in this way: these are the things he can do, and it may yet not matter.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — April 2, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  19. always cooler to not explain your joke.

    Comment by JDanger — April 2, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

  20. “That has jived with this spring’s general assessment that he’s sitting closer to 91 MPH than the 92+ he showed last season.”

    Jibed. You’ve been cited.

    Comment by Grammar Police — April 3, 2012 @ 1:25 am

  21. gah. got it.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — April 3, 2012 @ 1:29 am

  22. “People will always be at the ready to predict a breakdown. Story of his life.”

    Story of any pitcher’s life, really…

    Comment by mko — April 3, 2012 @ 2:35 am

  23. Articles like this remind me that Randy Johnson was a once in a lifetime pitcher: threw that slider till the day he retired.

    Comment by MetsFan212 — April 3, 2012 @ 11:56 am

  24. Dr. James Andrews’ organization (www.asmi.org) has found, through scientific testing, that a curve puts less stress on a pitcher’s arm than a fastball, while a slider puts more stress. Adjusted for pitch counts, curveballs are not associated with arm injuries while sliders are. Good things to keep in mind for younger pitchers.

    Comment by Duke — April 3, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

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