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  1. Schierholtz has also not yet taken a walk. Sure, small sample size, but that’s still fairly impressive on some level.

    Comment by Feeding the Abscess — April 17, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  2. I would like to blame Eric Wedge for the Mariners’ lack of walks.

    Comment by Gregory — April 17, 2012 @ 11:34 am

  3. Thanks for this article. I too find players with very low BB and K rates interesting. When he was playing I was always fascinated with David Eckstein because of his ability to always put the bat on the ball.

    Comment by swansok4 — April 17, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  4. “It’s pretty interesting that two of the three non- are ”

    I see what you did there

    Comment by Jay — April 17, 2012 @ 11:37 am

  5. “It’s pretty interesting that two of the three non-walkers are Texas Ranges”

    I see what you did there. Also, I failed at figuring out how to make things bold.

    Comment by Jay — April 17, 2012 @ 11:38 am

  6. See, that’s what I thought this article was going to be, guys who have neither walked nor struck out. If Schierholtz has 23 straight balls-in-play, that’s far more interesting than just not striking out, even if it isn’t any more statistically relevant.

    Comment by Cozar — April 17, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  7. Darn, the article clearly says “Clubs” rather than “Club,” so that’s my mistake.

    Comment by Cozar — April 17, 2012 @ 11:59 am

  8. It’s worth noting that in the case of Brennan Boesch, not only is he getting more strikes, but they are nastier b/c the pitcher wants to get him out for sure. Obviously, a pitcher can trade in some wear on the arm to get a guy out, they are probably doing that here. It will be interesting to see at the end of the season if pitchers are doing a good job of that, i.e. are they doing it less when there are two outs and nobody on and you might actually want to see a Cabrera in that situation rather than at the top of the order, followed by Fielder.

    Comment by monkey business — April 17, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  9. what is the league average walk rate?

    Comment by Mark — April 17, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

  10. Juan Pierre has 1 K and 0 BBs in 24 PAs so far, and is putting up this lovely line:

    .292/.292/.292

    And he’s a starting leftfielder.

    Comment by D4P — April 17, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

  11. Ya it looks like the gameplan vs. Boesch is: don’t walk him and throw as many off-speed pitches as possible.

    Comment by moosh — April 17, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  12. Schierholtz is so hacktastically bad. He doesn’t walk or strikeout because he has zero patience. He is the anti-Brandon Belt, but Belt will continue to the ride the pine if Schierholtz can sport a .270 average even though Belt could hit .250 with a .330 OBP and Bochey will still think Schierholtz or Huff is that much better even if Belt has an OBP 50 to 75 points higher but with more Ks.

    Comment by Larry Yocum — April 17, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  13. Hahah I didn’t even notice that, good catch.

    Comment by Fred — April 17, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  14. Alas, Jared Weaver struck out Josh Reddick last night.

    Comment by Doug Decinces (nr) — April 17, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  15. On Boesch, it’s premature to say that he’s seeing more strikes due to the impact of Fielder and Cabrera. For one, though he is seeing more strikes so far than in previous years (his zone% is up to 47%), the big difference is that his contact % has increased substantially. Perhaps he’s not walking b/c he’s making so much contact that he never gets a chance to get to ball 4.

    It’s also worth noting that, in terms of zone%, he ranks 92nd out of 199 hitters, easily in the middle 5th of the number of strikes seen. It’s not like he’s seeing an inordinately high % of strikes. Finally, he’s not even seeing as many strikes as his pal, Cabrera, is seeing. If your theory were correct, Cabrera would be seeing fewer strikes than Boesch, not more.

    Comment by chuckb — April 17, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

  16. So if he didn’t hit ahead of Miggy and Fielder, the pitcher wouldn’t want to get him out for sure? If the pitcher really could “trade in some wear on the arm to get a guy out”, why would they waste that on a guy that’s not Miggy or Fielder?

    Comment by Johnny Come Lately — April 17, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  17. I think a guy who puts the ball in play every single plate appearance would be the most exciting player in the world.

    Intuitively speaking, triples tend to be the single most exciting batter result (inside the park home runs tend to involve particularly bad defensive misplays, so they don’t really count… the most exciting plays are close plays at the plate, but a hitter rarely has control over those). So the most exciting player would be somebody who either gets a triple or gets thrown out extending a double every single plate appearance.

    Comment by JimNYC — April 17, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  18. To be fair, it’s more of a platoon with John Mayberry. Thank god.

    Comment by Phrozen — April 17, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  19. I understand that a walk and a single have the same value from the perspective of you scoring, but shouldn’t a single have more value overall because on the chance that someone is on 2nd or 3rd they’re likely to score on a single?

    Also, I don’t buy that a K and any other out are the same. You can’t advance runners or score anyone on a K. you can with a deep groundout to the right side or a deep flyball. Thus, guys who don’t K very much should have more value than a similar player who Ks a lot.

    Comment by antonio bananas — April 17, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  20. Yes, a single has more value than a walk. That’s why it gets a greater coefficient in wOBA. Who said they were the same?

    Comment by J.Ro — April 17, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

  21. What you did not take into account is that with a strikeouts effectively eliminate the possibility of a double play which you have with a ground out or a caught liner.
    And since double plays are more common than sacrifice flies, strikeouts might be even more valuable than regular outs.

    Of course the major downside of striking out is that there is also no chance of getting a hit or reach on an error, so it is almost always better to just put the ball in play.

    Comment by kardo — April 18, 2012 @ 3:11 am

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