Someone should really comment on the fact that since he’s come to the Mets, Francoeur has put up some reasonable number. Since coming over from the Braves his slash line has been a respectable .302/.329/.503, good for a 116 OPS+. The trade to the Mets may have really rejuvenated him.
As a fan that has had to deal with the sad situation that is the Mets all summer long, I can appreciate the unexpected production of our scrubs. Thats the wonder of baseball, randomness creates an “On any given day” situation.
Comment by I am David Foy — August 28, 2009 @ 2:45 am
Francouer has always been a solid defender. I would say that -5 UZR doesn’t accurately reflect his contributions this year.
Two articles on how the Mets beat up on the Marlins yesterday (other one is sort of the same thing, but without the game recap, over at The Book blog)? It’s sad that the Marlins are still in the playoff race and the only talk we’re getting is how a terrible Mets lineup scored 10 runs in one game against us. We won the other two, by the way.
“Of the eight batters, two can be called league average hitters or better.”
You are being far too generous here. Pagan is playing over his head, he’s not a .340+ wOBA talent, but he’s probably at least close to being average, though still below. But he’s really the only one there that’s close. But, really, he’s still more a bench player than a starter.
I hope you aren’t suggesting Cory Sullivan is average or better, based on a wOBA in under 80 PA. For his career, he’s a 0 WAR player over 1135 PA.
The rest are pretty much replacement level bats at best. Francoeur and Santos both have a bit of defensive value not accounted by in fangraphs WAR, as catcher defense is not yet included, and Francoeur’s arm is maybe a bit under valued just because no one even tries to run on it anymore. But even giving credit for that, and assuming most of Francoeur’s offensive resugence is for real, both guys are maybe 1 WAR players, still not very near average.
Comment by acerimusdux — August 28, 2009 @ 11:19 am
Pagan is basically playing to his career averages, but I think he is getting a big boost from the enormous Citi Field.
Not to mention Shane Victorino gave him a HR because he just watched the ball sit on the ground and left it there . . .
Yes, he’s maybe not a .352 wOBA guy, which is what he’s up to now, in 230 PA this year, but he should at least be a .325-.330 wOBA guy. Given that he’s only about -5 in CF, which gets a +2.5 adjustment, he maybe is a near average regular right now. Even a .325 wOBA with that defense would make him a +1.5 WAR player.
Keep in mind, this is his age 28 season, he’s really a better player now than he would have been 3 years ago. Even coming up in the minors I always saw him as a guy who might be a second division starter for a couple of years at his peak. So he’s right about there.
As for Francouer, I mistated it in my last sentence above. With the Mets so far he has a .343 wOBA. That would make him an above average player. I don’t think he will continue that, but I do actually think he could be a .325 wOBA guy as well, especially given he is only entering his prime. That’s still below average in RF, but I still believe he’s at least average defensively there. So that would be another +1.5 WAR player.
Comment by acerimusdux — August 28, 2009 @ 11:54 am
i love the articles on this site…. but… doesn’t this article seem a bit, pointless?
OBP is THE most important single measure in offensive baseball. It measures whether you got out or not. If you’re out, you hurt the team in the majority of circumstances. If you’re NOT out, well done! Guys with low ISO-patience (OBP-BA) are probably going to be more vulnerable to offensive peaks and valleys because they swing at bad pitches more often then not and get themselves out. This is the exact profile for Francouer’s career and will continue to be so until he changes his approach. Yes, he’s played relatively well, but he’s essentially the same player as before.