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  1. Good piece, Chris. If there is one thing ZiPS(R) may be understimating, in addition to his defense as you stated, is his BB% (8.7%). Based on watching his approach and his MiLB numbers (11-12%), I think I think he’ll walk more.

    Also, *homerism alert, possibly*, I think Andrew McCutchen may have something to say about ‘best player in the game’ status. Harper/Trout have both been excellent, but it’s not locked in that either will be best player, in my eyes.

    Again, good stuff.

    Comment by CabreraDeath — May 31, 2012 @ 9:13 am

  2. Even though Trout is a year older, he may have less elite baseball experience than Harper given his part-time baseball status through high school. There certainly is room for him to grow.

    Comment by L.UZR — May 31, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  3. Not sure how you can project which player in baseball in going to be better 5 years from now. I’m thinking about players who have yet to debut…

    Comment by Jimbo — May 31, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  4. Great point….

    Comment by CabreraDeath — May 31, 2012 @ 9:39 am

  5. I would say that although Trout probably has less total baseball experience, he still has more elite baseball experience. Harper may have had longer seasons and played against better competition throughout his earlier days, but I don’t think it means too much for either at this stage of the game. There isn’t much that a 12-18 year old can do experience-wise to prepare for the real test of AA-MLB type pitching to come, other than actually facing and studying it on a regular basis.

    Elite prospects don’t usually begin getting tested beyond physical condition and natural ability until they push past at least A ball. So I think it’s maybe more about each of your lower level experiences putting you in a position to do well as you advance per level. Both have obviously had plenty of valuable experience to get them into each of those advanced situations.

    Past A ball, Trout more than triples Harper’s experience. Having said that, both are still relying heavily on physical condition and raw skill because of their relative inexperience. I just think Harper has to rely on it a bit more because he’s less experienced with elite competition.

    Comment by baty — May 31, 2012 @ 10:15 am

  6. If you know of a player who hasn’t debuted yet, but projects to be better than Bryce Harper or Mike Trout, lay it on us.

    Comment by Santos — May 31, 2012 @ 10:38 am

  7. You mean you don’t think Kenny Williams Jr. is the second coming?

    Comment by KG — May 31, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  8. I stand corrected

    Comment by Santos — May 31, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  9. Something else extremely impressive, is Trout’s “consistently elite” BABIP output. He was basically a .400+BABIP MILB hitter, and after a really low stretch during his first MLB stint last year, so far, he’s up into the .360 range for the ’12 season. It will be interesting to see how things settle in that area of his game.

    Comment by baty — May 31, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  10. What about me? You guys only write articles when I hit just one HR in a month. I’m still pretty good, right?

    Comment by Giancarlo Stanton — May 31, 2012 @ 11:03 am

  11. I still prefer Trout versus Harper because of his more well-balanced, diversified game.

    Plate discipline: Trout wins this, based on minor-league numbers and major league (Small sample) stats. However, Harper may get more walks due to pitchers being scared of his power.

    Power: Harper wins this handily.

    Arm: Harper wins this easily, as well.

    Defense: Trout has more range and will play the more difficult position for a longer period of time.

    Hit tool: Trout

    Speed: Trout, obviously.

    Makeup: Trout seems like a hard worker and I also like Harper’s passion. Push.

    Overall: I understand how people are going crazy over Harper, but I really feel that the difference between the two is slight and that Trout has less of a chance of collapsing than Harper.

    Comment by guest — May 31, 2012 @ 11:07 am

  12. I’ve been saying Mike Trout is the next Abner Dalrymple for years now

    Comment by johnnycuff — May 31, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  13. On the chart, putting Trout at the bottom doesn’t tell us a whole lot. Who are the 5 or ten next guys, so we can see where he clusters, not where he falls short (not that falling short of the players on that list is a failing).

    Comment by db — May 31, 2012 @ 11:38 am

  14. There’s not a scout in baseball who would rate Makeup a ‘push’ between Trout and Harper.

    This isn’t a prediction Harper’s going to explode sometime or anything. But let’s wait till something bad or UNFAIR! happens to him and see how he deals with it. Before we now conclude he has good makeup, too.

    Comment by Richie — May 31, 2012 @ 11:48 am

  15. :-)))

    Comment by Richie — May 31, 2012 @ 11:48 am

  16. Last year, when Trout was 19, in about exactly the same amount of PAs (134 Trout, 129 Harper) Trout put up .8 WAR vs Harper’s current .5 WAR. Harper’s bat may be better but at this very unspecific point in both of their careers Trout has been better.

    Comment by Mobley15 — May 31, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  17. Go to the leaderboards, sort for 20 year olds and click wRC+.,20&players=0&sort=17,d

    Frank Robinson, Ezra Sutton, and Lew Brown.

    Comment by TFINY — May 31, 2012 @ 1:00 pm

  18. As an Angels fan I wouldn’t trade Trout for Harper straight up, and for many of the reasons cited – his makeup, his lower chance of not fulfilling his potential, his overall balanced skill set – but it is mainly because he’s just so damn exciting to watch and, I must admit, he’s “our” phenom.

    To me the comparison seems to overly favor the gaudy power potential of Harper. Certainly Harper will likely have higher OPS and HR totals, but Trout will do (and already does) little things that, when combined, make him a more interesting and, I would say, at least equally valuable player. To put it another ay, do you want a 1.000+ OPS hitter with good RF defense and above average speed or a .900+ OPS hitter with excellent CF defense and blazing speed? If Harper ends up hitting .300/.450/.650, then it will be hard for Trout’s secondary skills to make up for the difference, but if Harper hits .290/1.000 and Trout hits .320/.950, then Trout’s speed and defense will more than make up the difference. I’d say the differential in terms of OPS is about 100 points – Bryce has to be at least 100 points higher than Trout to make up the difference in terms of overall value.

    The most common comp that I’ve heard for Trout is Grady Sizemore who I think works reasonably well, but if Grady had hit .300 regularly and was even faster. Actually, Trout reminds me a bit more of Rickey Henderson, with less SB but a higher average. I also like the comp of Jacoby Ellsbury, 2011 version.

    The bottom line, though, is that the Nationals and Angels are both lucky: both players are already very good and only going to get better and, I would imagine, we’ll be having similar conversations for the next 5-10 years.

    Comment by Angelsjunky — May 31, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  19. I think the counter argument to that is that most of that WAR total from Trout’s age 19 season came from his defense which is less reliable over 40 games than offensive numbers are. Trout’s age-19 wRC+ was 89 last year, Harper’s this year is 130. Certainly Trout is expected to add a lot of value with his defense, but WAR might not be the best measure when dealing with 40 games.

    Comment by John C — May 31, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  20. In 5 years Giancarlo Stanton might be hitting HRs at a torrid Bonds PED pace, sans PEDs. Not a good defender, but that would still push him over Harper or Trout. Is Harper expected to top out in HRs/yr as high as Stanton?

    Comment by Mackey — May 31, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  21. It seems you are eluding to Harper’s well publicized temper. While this is certainly not an admirable trait I am not so sure it is a bad thing for a baseball player. Assuming he doesn’t go all Milton Bradley and jeopardizes his career with his temper, I think an uber intense attitude can be a good thing. Wanting to win and perform so badly is the kind of drive you need to become a once in a generation type star.

    Comment by kozilla — May 31, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  22. He’s pretty good defensively at least from what I’ve seen but Stanton over both for me.

    Comment by Atothe — May 31, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  23. I am alluding more to Harper’s well-publicized obnoxiousness. Which hasn’t reared its head of late, so hopefully he’s matured past it.

    But if not, well, an obnoxious guy with a quick fuse. Yes, on a day-in day-out basis for 7 months a year, that would take a toll on a ballclub. Or any organization.

    Comment by Richie — May 31, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  24. Totally reasonable to expect Stanton to match the greatest hitting performance in MLB history.

    Comment by J Walter Weatherman — May 31, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  25. Watch Trout play baseball. He is never not smiling. This has nothing to do with comparing him to Harper, but Trout makes me happy to be a baseball fan.

    Comment by Snoth — May 31, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  26. OPS isn’t really a good stat. It overvalues slugging in relation to on base ability. And it ignores baserunning. For offense, wRC+ is a very good stat that accounts for the relative value of all offensive actions and normalizes for park and league. It’s available on Fangraphs.

    “To put it another ay, do you want a 1.000+ OPS hitter with good RF defense and above average speed or a .900+ OPS hitter with excellent CF defense and blazing speed? ”

    WAR is created specifically to address this questions. It all comes down to how that OPS is composed (a .450 OBP/.450 SLG hitter is about as valuable at the plate as a .300 OBP/.700 SLG hitter) and how good their relative baserunning and defense is. Since WAR accounts for all of that, I think it provides a good answer to your question.

    Comment by Nathan Nathan — May 31, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  27. Harper does all the little tangible things as much or more then trout too. He turns singles into doubles routinely has stolen home already. Both are amazing it’s prolly a push now but honestly a 19 year old even holding his own is a once ina generation thing.

    Comment by aj — May 31, 2012 @ 6:31 pm

  28. Neither is wRC+. I remember how hyped Greg Jefferies was (check his wRC+ on above 20 year Ols chart.) 40 games is 40 games. Lots of things can change.

    Comment by yo-yo — May 31, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  29. Thanks for stating the obvious, I’m going to assume Angelsjunky new that. Secondly as stated above, if we use fWAR for each players first 130 at bats at age 19 then Trout wins. WAR will tell us alot more when they are both in their mid twenties. If I had to choose one it would be Trout at this point. I think he has more room to grow as a hitter than Harper and is a better athlete.

    Comment by yo-yo — May 31, 2012 @ 7:16 pm

  30. Trout has been mking doubles out of singles, no? Stealing home is a function of the manager not the player, c’mon. Nothing points to Harper having superior intangibles to Trout so far. ITS JUST A FEW GAMES AND THEY BOTH COULD BE AWESOME.

    Comment by yo-yo — May 31, 2012 @ 8:10 pm

  31. In 1951 Mickey Mantle was 19 and Willie Mays was 20. Which was a better ballplayer? Jus sayin.

    Comment by yo-yo — May 31, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  32. that’s actually pretty interesting, because while mays obviously had much more power than trout, they kind of relate to eachother in similar ways that harper and trout do, mays with more speed, mantle with more pure power, and mantle was more intense as a person as well.

    Comment by henry — May 31, 2012 @ 10:04 pm

  33. I’m not sure Trout will ever be feared the way Dalrymple was. I remember one time, Dalrymple was intentionally walked with the bases loaded – I’d never seen that before!

    Comment by Jon L. — May 31, 2012 @ 11:13 pm

  34. I own both Trout and Harper in my league, and I watch them both regularly. For me, Trout is hands down the better guy with the brighter future. Has awesome speed and defense. Imagine if he keeps his power up!! Harper always worries me too because he is still an immature boy with a history of emotional flare ups.

    Comment by Ohhhhhme — May 31, 2012 @ 11:26 pm

  35. I thought I read Bill James saying Mickey Mantle was probably the fastest player in baseball. I looked at “runs from baserunning” on baseball reference, and Mantle had more through age 29 than Mays did through age 31 (when Mays got caught up in games played).

    After that, Mantle’s injuries hampered his speed, while Mays continued to blaze right through age 40.

    Comment by Jon L. — May 31, 2012 @ 11:26 pm

  36. I wanna see Trout blow a kiss at a pitcher like Harper did….

    Or better yet Harper blow another kiss, but obviously this time at a big leaguer. See how arrogant he really is

    Comment by Snoth — June 1, 2012 @ 1:30 am

  37. Harper will be the slightly better fantasy option, but I think Trout is the more valuable player IRL. He can beat you in more ways than Harper can IMO

    It’s a moot point anyway as both look like they’ll be top 10 players in MLB fairly soon and should stay there for quite awhile

    Comment by sausagemcbiscuit — June 1, 2012 @ 4:49 am

  38. Gotcha, Nathan Nathan. OPS, like any stat, isn’t an accurate or comprehensive measure of a player’s overall value, but like all stats it does say something, and what I was trying to point out is that Harper’s overall hitting ability – as a combination of on-base and slugging – is probably going to be better/higher than Trout’s, but that Trout will be better at the stuff outside of what OPS represents, and that I would suggest that the difference will be roughly equal to 100 OPS points, maybe a bit more.

    WAR, of course, should account for it, but the problem with WAR on its own is that because it is such a comprehensive statistic, it is hard to tell what is going on “within” the number. For instance, we all know that 7 WAR is a superstar player, but there are many ways to get to 7 WAR. I think both Trout and Harper will, but will take different routes, an Trout’s will be less obvious in terms of the more commonly used statistics (e.g. OPS, SLG, HR, etc).

    Comment by Angelsjunky — June 1, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  39. Mike Trout is a really (really) fast runner, so yeah.

    Comment by bill — June 1, 2012 @ 11:31 am

  40. “See how arrogant he really is”

    Or, we could (a) totally ignore the context and the things that came before that incident, and/or (b) pretend like we didn’t all do many, many, many, many ill-conceived things at 19-20.

    Nope, we were all perfectly behaved and totally mature at that age, and that kid is a total jerkwad.

    Comment by Jason B — June 1, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

  41. “he is still an immature boy”

    I know right! People should never, ever do anything rash or poorly conceived, especially at 19! I mean, we never did at that age, am I right?! Those poor, poor people – those mere mortals – they just dunno what it’s like to be perfect sometimes. They should just try harder, I mean, its pretty easy…

    Comment by Jason B — June 1, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

  42. I grew up on baseball during the 60’s, so I am a bit cynical,
    regarding today’s players. To say that Trout and Harper are
    today’s best players does not say much to me, when we
    have millionaire players hitting .169, and millionaire
    pitchers with 6.09 or higher ERAs. Its just frustrating
    when a star pitcher gives up a grand slam to a .169
    nobody hitter. During the 60’s, I saw one (three at the
    most) grand slam, that I remember. During the last
    three years, I’ve seen 20 – 25. I do not find that very
    exciting. Now, if Trout and Harper are the best players
    since the last 20 – 25 years, I am impressed and take
    my hat off to them.

    Comment by Juan Chapa — June 1, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

  43. I sense that Trout is the arrogant one. He interviews badly and he has just that look to him. Harper does too, but in a different way. I bet we find out in years to come that trout was a bad teammate. There is something behind the way he chomps his gum and swaggers. I don’t like watching him at all.

    Comment by Tim Abel — June 2, 2012 @ 1:54 am

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    Comment by morrowrosanna — June 2, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  45. Someone’s got a crush on me

    Comment by Bryce Harper — June 3, 2012 @ 11:31 am

  46. Sounds legit, I didn’t see very many when I played…

    Comment by Willie McCovey — June 3, 2012 @ 11:37 am

  47. For your sake I hope that’s a keeper league.

    Comment by yo-yo — June 3, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  48. They both have huge egos which is quite normal for exceptional people in any walk of life. What was Barry Bonds, humble. Even the ones that seem Modest like Jeter and Maddux have huge ego’s behind the scenes. I mean for christ sakes, after Derek has a one night stand he sends his date home with a basket full of signed Derek Jeter memorobilla.

    Comment by yo-yo — June 3, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  49. As of today, Trout is up to a wRC+ of 163, putting him fourth on the list, behind only Ruth, Cobb, and Jeffries.

    Comment by Jay Stevens — June 9, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  50. Mickey was very, very fast. We’re not talking a + runner like Harper, we’re talking an elite runner. It’s flat out scary to think what Mickey could have done.

    Comment by BJ — June 10, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

  51. That’s fair right? Because access to baseball games in the 60’s is a lot like it is today. I’m sure you had Baseball Tonight, cable TV, MLB Extra Innings, etc back then.

    Harper and Trout are outstanding talents regardless of what generation we are looking at. Hate to break it to you but there were plenty of top earners in the 60’s who performed poorly.

    Comment by BJ — June 10, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

  52. As of today Harper is up to a wRC+ of 153, Trout is at 170. Remarkable what they’re both doing. They’re both close to qualifying for the batting title, with Trout sitting 2nd in the AL. For wOBA and wRC+ Trout would be sitting 7th and 6th in the two stats, Harper 19th in both.

    The two will be forever linked, and most people seem to be ‘taking sides’ with these guys. Can’t we just appreciate both for what they are, which at the moment is arguably the best under-21 rookie tandem in baseball history?

    Comment by Ray — June 13, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  53. Unbelievable talents, both.

    To address an earlier comment, regarding Best Player In Baseball in five years, I think we also have to look at three guys who are doing unbelievable things in the upper minors right now: Jurickson Profar, Oscar Taveras, and Wil Myers.

    Myers is 21, and slugging.700+ across AA and AAA this year, and may be able to stick in CF, at least for a few years. Duke Snider redux?

    Profar is just 19, plays a solid shortstop, and is hitting for average and power, AND showing excellent strikezone command in AA. Barry Larkin, anyone?

    And Taveras, who Mike Newman’s contacts say could be a 30-HR centerfielder, and who Jason Parks describes as having an “80-grade hit tool,” compares pretty favorably so far to Mike Trout at the same age/level.

    Trout at 19 in the Texas League:
    .326 avg., .958 OPS, just under .60 BB/K

    Taveras, same league, 7 weeks older:
    .322 avg., .956 OPS, also just under .60 BB/K

    You could go back to when they were 18 in the Midwest League, or even 17 in rookieball, and the performances have almost eerie similarities.

    Trout is of course vastly superior defensively and on the bases, but they both figure to annually contend for batting titles, and Taveras might have truly elite power, as opposed to Trout’s distinctly-above-average pop.

    Indeed, Taveras has an unusually good chance of fulfilling his power potential, since his contact rates are borderline elite. Specifically, let’s compare again Trout and Taveras at age 19 in the Texas League:

    Trout: .218 ISO, and 18% K rate.
    Taveras: .259 ISO, and 13% K rate.

    More power *and* more contact is a potent combo.

    I apologize for rambling a bit; I’d still take Trout in five years, no doubt. But as for 2nd-best MLB player in five years, I’d throw Myers, Profar, and especially Taveras into the mix with Harper, McCutchen, Votto, Tulo, Longoria, and Upton.

    Comment by Butters — June 13, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  54. If we pick an arbitrary cutoff of 200 minimum PA, Trout tops the 20yo list as of today. Harper is “only” 6th on the list of 19yo (same criteria).

    Can’t wait to see where they are by the end of the year.

    Comment by Jason — July 13, 2012 @ 9:09 am

  55. Looking back at this article now is quite the kick. “If Mike Trout managed to finish the season at [4.8 WAR]” sounds like such a hilarious statement as we now speculate whether or not he will be able finish the season with 10.0 WAR, 30 HRs and 50 SBs…

    Comment by Sam — September 17, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

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