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  1. What sort of return could the Twins expect for Liriano? Anything more than a single A pitching prospect with a bit of upside?

    Comment by Killer — June 22, 2012 @ 9:11 am

  2. Glad we could continue the annual “Liriano is back” article for the 5th straight year!

    Comment by Will — June 22, 2012 @ 9:16 am

  3. Reminds me a bit of Carl Hubbel. When asked to scrap the screwball because of injury risk, he stunk. Allowed to throw the screwball until his arm fell off? Great pitcher.

    Just let Liriano throw the slider until his arm falls off. Whether its for two months, two years, or ten years….he’s not a major league caliber pitcher otherwise.

    Comment by Hunter fan — June 22, 2012 @ 9:41 am

  4. I noted the lack of any advanced pitching metrics and was fully prepared to chalk up his recent success to batted ball luck, but the data do not support that conclusion. His FIP and xFIP (by one calculator, at least) over his last 5 starts are 2.3 and 2.9 respectively. Pretty impressive, SSS and all.

    Comment by mcbrown — June 22, 2012 @ 9:47 am

  5. Twins should be content to let him chuck sliders over and over, and then flip him at the deadline. In fact, wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what is happening.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — June 22, 2012 @ 9:55 am

  6. I think the Twinds should trade him for Bryce Harper

    Comment by spoof bonser — June 22, 2012 @ 9:56 am

  7. That’s a clown trade bro.

    Comment by Bryce Harper — June 22, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  8. liriano will get hurt before they can trade him just out of spite

    Comment by juan pierres mustache — June 22, 2012 @ 10:24 am

  9. Having watched the Twins for years, I don’t recall Liriano ever having a pitch referred to as a sinker, my guess is his fastball is just having more movement lately giving perception of another pitch. Or I could wrong be wrong.

    ANYWAY, the real difference lately has been that his control of the fastball/sinker has allowed him to be ahead in the count and thus be able to go to the slider more often as his strikeout or put away pitch. I don’t think his general approach has changed where he’s throwing more sliders any old time he wants.

    With Liriano, and really nearly all pitchers, his key is command of the fastball. He’s actually spotting the fastball around the zone now instead of constant 1-0, 2-1 meatballs. Now we’ll just see how much longer that lasts.

    Comment by joe — June 22, 2012 @ 10:33 am

  10. Guy hears his name on the trade block and starts striking everyone out all the sudden.

    Comment by payroll — June 22, 2012 @ 10:41 am

  11. Those LD,FB, GB percentages are off right? He only gets fly ball 3% of the time? Line drives 1% and ground balls 10%? Correct me if I’m wrong, but that and his 27% whiff rate do not add up to 100%. Am I just missing something when reading this chart?

    Comment by phoenix2042 — June 22, 2012 @ 11:01 am

  12. I doesn’t seem to include called balls and strikes or foul balls, or I guess HBP

    Comment by Ivan Grushenko — June 22, 2012 @ 11:16 am

  13. Correct, the missing percentages are balls that haven’t landed yet, or are on some 6 year olds mantle in his room, saying Ryan Braun- 576 feet 5/12/2012

    Comment by Polka — June 22, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  14. I wrote a thing @ Twinkietown (http://www.twinkietown.com/2012/6/22/3110845/bad-teams-or-good-liriano) along these lines with texasleaguers pitch f/x graphs and stuff. His pitches are as hard as they’ve been post-surgery over the past 4 starts and everything that has armside run (both fastballs/change) has much more effective sink than it had in April/May. Instead of being a sitting duck meatball at just shy of 8 inches of v-move (hitters kill fastballs like that), his two-seamer has a touch of sink to it. His slider has more slider and is 2 MPH harder (86!) than it was. His average location is much better with everything: lower, less center cut.

    There are ZERO signs of smoke and mirrors and every sign that his stuff is finally as good as it was in 2010. Now it’s just (the big) question of whether he can keep doing it.

    Comment by toby — June 22, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  15. i bet you set yourself up on that one, didn’t you?

    Comment by radicalhenri — June 22, 2012 @ 11:16 pm

  16. sinker is what MLB started calling 2-seam fastballs this year.

    Comment by monkey business — June 25, 2012 @ 12:07 pm

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