Great acquisition by Amaro in this deal IMO. I know people say that fans overvalue their own prospects, I think the Phils got a big time high-upside guy in Lino. The loss of Simon is fine, but Lino was really an intriguing prospect.
As an Orioles fan I agree with you. Most evaluators have had great things to say about Lino and his upside and I am disappointed the O’s gave him up for half a season of a 41 year old DH. Great move by the Phillies
While low A Delmarva is a long way from the majors, I don’t see anyone unseating Weiters. With concerns about Lino’s size and his ability to move out from behind the plate, perhaps this was towards his peak value. I don’t see getting full value on a major league ready but blocked version.
Lot of rumors around Lino that he is older than listed and does not have a strong worth ethic. He started red hot but has hit well below .600 since April. Long, long way to go here. Very conceivable the 0.5 or so WAR Thome provides in 4 months will be more than Lino provides in a career.
Lino may never reach the majors, but there is a chance he does and there is a chance he ends up accumulating much more WAR than what you’re getting from Thome. But what’s the point in a “guaranteed” 0.5 WAR for a season where the O’s most likely don’t make the playoffs? The hope for Lino is that he’d be able to contribute in some way some time in the future on a team that was competitive. Taking a chance on that outcome seems much more logical than getting half of a win when half of a win won’t mean anything.
If he doesn’t have a strong work ethic, then he wouldn’t be in LoA. A raw guy like him needs to work hard to be in his position.
It’s true that he had a red hot April and it’s also worth noting he had a solid June. A .231/.296/.415 isn’t terrible for a 19 year old who is one of the youngest guys on the team especially considering an unlucky BABIP.
Interesting batting stance and swing. During the in-game footage, his forward weight distribution and hand position was reminiscent of Albert Belle, but the waggle is a hybrid Brandon Phillips & Mike Aviles.
Maybe this dude turns out to be a worthwhile major leaguer, but the most interesting thing about this trade is that Philly is seemingly conceding that it’s going nowhere this season, and that trading away veterans for as much minor league talent as possible is the way to go. Right?
Robbie G. – Thome can’t really play the field anymore. Not a sign they’ve given up, though that might not be far off. As for Lino, I am intrigued. I would guess he’ll be the org’s 2nd ranked catching prospect behind Sebastian Valle and ahead of Cameron Rupp and others.
Trading Thome actually made a lot of sense for the Phillies regardless of the standings. He can’t play the field, and hasn’t been effective as a pinch-hitter. A trade to an AL team was the best way to extract value from this particular asset.
I have to agree with the Orioles fans who are a little bummed to have lost a quality prospect. Lino is a quality catching prospect and those don’t come around too often from my experience. Don’t take my comments about his ability to stick behind the plate as a cause for major concern. He’s 19. He’s a big kid. I’m forced to take it into consideration and work through it in my mind because it’s simply more difficult for larger players to catch and catch well.
Steve, you are right in that there’s a long way to go. For players like Lino where so many pieces need to come together for the prospect to become a big leaguer, countless things can go wrong. However, I’m still comfortable calling him a “guy” (future MLB player) because the raw ability is so impressive.
Yes, but there was only one Albert Belle and he was freakishly strong to pull it off. Sometimes, we get wrapped up in comparing stances to players where it’s working and just assume it can work for everybody when, in fact, it won’t. For me, young guys with simple set ups just work best. Master the basics and then add the personal touches later.
I didn’t get that from the deal. Howard is rehabbing and Thome is a surplus piece once he returns. If I’m the Phillies and have a shot at Lino, I’m making that deal regardless and living with Mayberry in the lineup for a few games.
Duquette is a bad GM? Everyone thought this Orioles team was a 100 loser. His career W/L percentage is somewhere around .530. He fleeced Colorado for Hammel. Why exactly is he bad? This trade is about 95% likely to be dust in the wind for both teams.
Agreed. Thome’s back prevented him from playing the field at all. He was only a PH for the Phillies, and Thome wasn’t adjusting well to having irregular ABs (and primarily facing LOOGies). It’s no coincidence that he only started hitting once interleague play started.
There really was no other option than to trade him. Phillies fans were expecting a PTBNL or cash considerations, so this is an incredible windfall.
Duquette has been taking heat from some Orioles fans for giving up Single-A prospects too easily (e.g. Randy Henry), and this just adds to that fire. But the truth is, no one knows if any of these guys will sniff the majors.
Kinda like how Dayton Moore is always getting guys he was attached to in Atlanta?
Comment by Antonio Bananas — July 3, 2012 @ 7:59 pm
I agree Steve. It’s a nothing for not much trade. No one looks smart here. Orioles got rid of a player they probably won’t need for a player that gives them a little benefit, Phillies did the same. Not like the Phillies traded Ryan Howard for Mike Trout.
Comment by Antonio Bananas — July 3, 2012 @ 8:00 pm
I think you are underestimating the ability of quality professional scouting with your “no one knows” comment. Freak injuries aside, I’ve found contacts nail projections on guys more often than not and are always working to improve using misses as a guide. There’s a reason scouts call players “guys” and refer to them differently than other players on the field.