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  1. yep they are

    Comment by jess — July 10, 2012 @ 10:31 am

  2. Oh they totally are. I was listening to Mike and Mike this AM, and Mike Hill (who is a Yankee fan) was saying that Jackson deserved it cause he “did the wrong thing.” What did he do wrong? Nothing! He spoke the truth. Alex ADMITTED to using. Therefore, people put an * next to all his numbers. The Yankees are just cottling ARod, that’s all.

    Comment by TacoTruck13 — July 10, 2012 @ 10:37 am

  3. If, hypothetically, the same things were said and written about any other Yankee player the same thing would’ve happened. But I’m not so sure an article like this one would have been written.

    Comment by geefee — July 10, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  4. yeah, pretty useless i know

    Comment by jess — July 10, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  5. The Yankees are trying to protect their brand, not necessarily Alex’s feelings, and this extends to the so-called journalists–whomever they are–who work for the YES network. There is no such thing as “objectivity” any longer; the message has become, sadly, get loyal or get gone. That the corporation makes these moves publicly, and by extension reiterating their organizational stance on said moves, is clearly by design.

    Comment by PlateTectonics — July 10, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  6. Alex has always been a guess hitter, which is odd given he was once such a great hitter. One would expect him to have good pitch recognition, but he really does not. He guesses and swings, and if he hits it, it’s hit well, but a lot of times he misses and looks really bad. For a guess hitter, it’s extremely important to know what a guy is throwing so you can know what to guess on, so I’m not surprised that he has someone helping him to make an educated guess. Unrelated, but wow does that contract look bad. I would rather the Yankees trade him and his contract straight up for Vernon Wells and his contract. And there aren’t many guys you can say that about.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — July 10, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  7. You overlooked a major point, reports say the Yankees were furious that Jackson criticized Carter and Puckett, not to mention numerous living HoF members, including Niekro and Blyleven. The “time out” was probably more for this than A-Rod. A hitter with 2600 strikeouts and a .262 batting average probably doesn’t need to run his mouth regarding other HoF members and trying to speak for them.

    Comment by Rogers Hornsby — July 10, 2012 @ 11:08 am

  8. So a career .300 hitter over 10000+ PA’s is, and always has been, a guess hitter? That statement is so absurd as to be laughable. And you’re going to trade his contract for what? The guy, whether you like him or not, is going to wear a Yankees cap in his (inevitable) HOF induction…and you’re willing to lose that for what? A marginally less crappy contract in the near-term? Gotta think longer-range than that.

    Comment by PlateTectonics — July 10, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  9. I think the Carter criticism was an awful thing for him to say. For one thing, Carter’s a definite HOF catcher. Reggie is misguided if he thinks otherwise. For another, he just passed away and it’s in extremely poor taste to make such comments a few months after his death.

    That said, I don’t see why the yankees brass would be furious about the comments. Mets and Expos/Nationals brass, yes, but not yankees brass.

    Comment by vivalajeter — July 10, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  10. If anyone with a name like Reggie Jackson, worked for a different MLB Team and talked the way he did about one of their players and current Hall Of Famers, they too would likely be suspended if not fired.

    Reggie Jackson is an advisor, not a spokesperson for the Yankees.

    Comment by jstudz21 — July 10, 2012 @ 11:36 am

  11. The Yankees are protecting their overall brand here. This is not just A-Rod but about the entire organization. The Yankees want to show that if you publicly criticize players, during a regular season in which the AL East is fiercely competitive, that you won’t be allowed to be part of the team. The Yankees don’t need distractions like this coming from their own guys.

    Loose lips sink ships. Reggie Jackson if he wants to voice his opinion can do it when he’s separate from the organization. To quote Tony Soprano, “whatever happened to the strong, silent type”? If he has something to say about A-Rod then bring it up to him. Don’t blast him in the media and then immediately take it back. Whatever happened to Omerta? In the day of Facebook and Twitter it seems like people just can’t keep quiet and have to shout their opinions.

    I know that the emphasis on this site is mostly advanced statistical analysis and study of the sport through new technologies like heat maps and spray charts and so on. But there is a major aspect of the mental condition of players, and how it affects their play, that often goes unreported. Psychology plays a huge roll in sports. There really needs to be a sports psychology website that focuses on that.

    You don’t want players carrying mental baggage onto the field every game. Rafael Palmeiro was run out of the game because the fans relentlessly reminded him of his positive test. Sure the earplugs could drown out the physical noise. But he couldn’t shut off the boos in his mind.

    The Yankees want A-Rod to stay healthy, break some milestone records, and contribute to another World Series team. They don’t need people within the organization talking about A-Rod’s HoF candidacy and slamming him for steroids use in a the middle of a stressful season.

    Did A-Rod take steroids? Yes. He was forced to admit it after he was caught. Everyone knows this. David Ortiz did the smart thing and moved on and you almost never hear mention of it. And his teammates and friends don’t ever blast him in the media because they know it would hurt the team and the organization. I guess Reggie cares more about his opinions than trying to help keep order in the clubhouse.

    Comment by Joey — July 10, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  12. Watch a game and see how he guesses. He was a career .300 hitter because of how well he could hit it, and he was a smart guess hitter. It’s not like he just swung randomly. He guesses right more often than not (or he wouldn’t be the great hitter he is/was), but you see him get horribly fooled an awful lot. His results over his career do not tell you what his approach is, they just tell you that he had success with that approach. That’s like me saying, “Vlad Guerrero had a poor plate approach/discipline?!? He hit .318 for his career over 9000 PA!” Also, I am thinking long term: Arod will be dragging this team down for another 5 or 6 years (forget which), whereas Wells will be gone long before that for way less money. Short term you want Arod because he can still be above average, but long term you want Wells because he won’t drag down your team as long or as much.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — July 10, 2012 @ 11:54 am

  13. Reminds me that when Rodriguez did admit to using steroids, he was careful to point out that he only used when he was with the Rangers.

    This was so clearly bull. He wants me to believe that he was so competitive that he was willing to cheat and put his body at risk to help him succeed on a cruddy Rangers team, but that when he signed an even bigger contract with even more pressure to perform in New York he suddenly had a moment of conscience and stopped using?

    I am certain that this was another attempt, under King George, to “protect the Yankee brand” and that Rodriguez was ordered to deny use as a Yankee.

    Comment by MikeM — July 10, 2012 @ 11:59 am

  14. Well the other reason that people don’t constantly criticize Ortiz for it like they do Arod is that Ortiz is generally thought of as a great guy, very genial and fun personality. People like him. Arod, even Yankees fans will agree, is at least kind of a jerk, if not the arrogant pr!ck he’s been called. Also, there is the fact that Arod is/will be breaking records, so the legitimacy of his new records is more important than Ortiz’s quest for 500 homers.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — July 10, 2012 @ 11:59 am

  15. Yay Censorship!!!!!

    Comment by Oasis — July 10, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  16. quite surprised this post required more than a 1 word response… YES

    Comment by Ben — July 10, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  17. A-Rod is still a 125 wrc+ hitter at this late stage of his career. Vernon Wells is below replacement level.

    Comment by What? — July 10, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  18. my thought too

    Comment by jess — July 10, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  19. Reggie’s spouting off highlights a much bigger problem – HOF members treating the HOF as their own personal Treehouse, using every and any reason to try and keep it as exclusive as possible. Confirmed PED use, admitted PED use, strongly-suspected PED use, possible PED use and was-in-the-same-clubhouse-as-somebody-who-used-PEDs are all valid reasons, according to them.

    Comment by kid — July 10, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  20. And how many years will Arod spend at or below replacement level while collecting 25mil paychecks?

    Comment by phoenix2042 — July 10, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  21. Jackson loves his own numbers so much, he’ll say something about anybody to make them look inferior to him. I’m sure all Jackson was really doing was trying to remind everybody how great he is.

    Comment by Mario Mendoza of commenters — July 10, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  22. A guy with a K rate of 18.1% is a guess hitter? There’s no way that he’s built a career being one of the best hitters in baseball by having poor pitch recognition.

    Comment by GUY — July 10, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  23. It’s the Yankees, not the A’s…his value to the org isn’t only defined by WAR. As should be the case, he’ll end his Yankees career riding atop a wonderfully sexy white stallion a la Boggs in ’96.

    Comment by PlateTectonics — July 10, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  24. “Whatever happened to Omerta?”

    You do realize that “Omerta” essentially condones murder, drug-smuggling, racketeering, and other violent and illegal activities? They exist because of that silence. Sometimes we go too far in praising those who keep their mouths shut and we don’t praise enough the brave souls who do speak up.

    I’m not saying that Reggie should be praised. But he does have the right to offer an opinion, just as his employer has the right to respond to that opinion.

    Comment by siggian — July 10, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

  25. Double-check your stats. He’s been a .272 hitter over the past three years, not .252.

    Comment by Frank — July 10, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

  26. Or in any other organization, even

    Comment by Jim — July 10, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  27. It’s not censorship to ask someone to leave your house for saying something you don’t want to listen to.

    Reggie Jackson has ample opportunities to voice his opinion. And others can respond to his opinion with their private interests as they see fit.

    The right to free speech only governs the public forum. Unless you can show that the Yankees are interfering with Jackson’s ability to voice his opinion in a public forum, you cannot support a censorship claim.

    Comment by LTG — July 10, 2012 @ 1:37 pm

  28. How’s that confirmation bias taste with your morning cheerios?

    Comment by Jim — July 10, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  29. Ridiculous for Olbermann to criticize A-Rod for wanting to know pitch speed. Jeter was looking too. Why not take a shot at him?

    Comment by John — July 10, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  30. Hello? I quoted Tony Soprano. Of course I know what Omerta is commonly associated with. That was part of the joke. Get a sense of humor.

    I hope A-Rod has Reggie Jackson whacked. I hope Reggie Jackson wakes up with a horse in his bed. “AAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!! AAAAAAAHHH!!!! AAAAAAHH!!”

    Comment by Joey — July 10, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  31. Absolutely correct. I cannot think of a more arrogant baseball player (past or present) and this is just a way for Jackson to say “Hey these guys did steroids and I did’t therefore I am superior!” I am as diehard a Yankee fan as there is and I absolutely despise Jackson for his arrogance.

    Comment by TKP — July 10, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  32. Reggie is a douche. You don’t want to fire one of ure legends for being a douche, even though they are one because well, he’s one of ure legends. The happy medium? Stay away and shut up for a while, douche. Go thattttt way.

    It is in extremely poor taste on Reggie’s part, to try to, in a way, disparage Gary Carter’s career, especially considering the recent tragic circumstances with his passing.

    Put your numbers up against Cobb, Ruth, Mays, Ted Williams, Aaron, Gehrig, DiMaggio. Now who’s not in who’s class?

    Comment by Melkman — July 10, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  33. I would have more respect for the Yankees if the response had been “We disagree with Reggie’s opinions about ARod, Carter, etc., but everyone’s entitled to their say.” “Banning” him is over the top.

    Reggie deserves plently of scorn and ridicule for his comments though. He didn’t just say ARod’s numbers are tainted, he said HOF members wouldn’t attend ARod’s induction. He also issued his blanket “I don’t think X is a HOFer” statement, falling back on tired and disproved cliches (Jack Morris was the best pitcher of his era!). He sounded arrogant and obnoxious.

    Olbermann is a notoriously difficult person and there could have been many reasons for his “firing,” not just his ARod comment.

    Comment by Rich Mahogany — July 10, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

  34. It’s a slow week, give the guy a break. :P

    Comment by Mario Mendoza of commenters — July 10, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

  35. your argument/comment falls apart when you say a hitter like arod has poor pitch recognition. you cant be serious.

    Comment by everdiso — July 10, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  36. How’s that condescension taste with your daily internet commenting?

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — July 10, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

  37. people are upvoting this trash?

    sigh…eternal september is bound to happen to any sufficiently large community, i suppose.

    Comment by y — July 10, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  38. John says:
    July 10, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    Ridiculous for Olbermann to criticize A-Rod for wanting to know pitch speed. Jeter was looking too. Why not take a shot at him?

    Exactly my thoughts. I think I remember games when Pedro Martinez was pitching for Boston in NYC and Jeter had his own man in the stand reading the velocity of Pedro’s deliveries.

    As for Jackson, he always loved the limelights and wants to still be part of the news cycle. His comments had to register in his mind as a no-no: You work for a business, you defend that brand. With the Yankees playing so well these last few weeks, why on earth bring this up?

    Comment by Jose — July 10, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  39. Hahaha, just a matter of time until somebody brought up censorship or freedom of speech. “Not a first amendment thing, man.” If there’s one thing this country’s good at, it’s stepping up and persecuting people for what they say privately when the government cannot.

    I was kind of surprised to learn Jackson is employed by the Yankees, and I’m still not entirely clear on what he does. But I’m guessing “advising” consists of just kind of hanging out and being Reggie Jackson – Yankee Emeritus. When you’re getting a paycheck for that, it’s not too much to ask that you not trash the team’s current players or dead beloved HoFers.

    Comment by geefee — July 10, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  40. A Rod in the HOF? Not going to happen. Only about 30% of voters are willing to vote for accepted juicers.

    But I’d bet the Yankees will retire his jersey.

    Comment by monkey business — July 10, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  41. But really though, he has real good recognition AND could be a good guesser. Like “if this is inside, it’s heat, if it’s away, it’s a change”. I mean, being able to eliminate choices and recognize what it is of the few remaining pitch types, would be pretty dangerous. I donnony it’s so outrageous that he can guess what’s coming. Chipper does it. The two styles aren’t mutually exclusive.

    Comment by Antonio bananas — July 10, 2012 @ 9:35 pm

  42. The Hall of Fame should be pretty exclusive, no?

    Comment by Brian — July 11, 2012 @ 5:50 am

  43. You should always defend your brand, even if it goes against your ethics? I don’t agree with that.

    Comment by Brian — July 11, 2012 @ 5:53 am

  44. The Yankees will be trying to dump Arod in few years when he really starts to suck, that protection has nothing to do with him, just the Yankee image.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — July 11, 2012 @ 10:12 am

  45. You people are forgetting the Yankees are an enterprise and have their workers under contracts. Reggie Jackson is their employee and they have the right/obligation of punishing him for bad talking one of the center pieces of of their most important product (the team itself).

    A firing would be in order if you worked for Microsoft and criticized Windows.

    Comment by Yankee hater — July 11, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

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