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  1. it wouldn’t even be considered that wild if the Snakes were heading into a rebuild or were buried in the standings. On the contrary, they are not too far off the pace in the NL West.

    There has got to be something going on there behind the scenes which hasn’t been made public. I know it’s tough to keep things under wrap these days but this just doesn’t add up.

    Comment by Spike — July 16, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

  2. I think the DBacks owner has really stuck his foot in his mouth and it is going to cost him big time. The team that is the best trade fit seems to be the Rangers – but they don’t need to do this sort of trade until the off-season depending on Josh Hamilton. And the Dbacks front office has created enough bad blood this year that Upton is almost in a Youk-type situation – and it could affect the rest of his season even if the source of the problem was just a thumb injury early on. Which in turn would really lower Upton’s trade value – and might limit trades to a team which really hurts Upton’s longer-term career prospects.

    The Dbacks deserve this. Upton doesn’t.

    Comment by jfree — July 16, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

  3. Considering that Justin Upton has never been traded, the title of this article is dead-on.

    Comment by CabreraDeath — July 16, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  4. Where is Justin Upton going to play in Texas? They have a LF and a RF.

    Comment by kid — July 16, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

  5. If Upton was on the Rockies this article would have mentioned Upton’s career

    Home .302/.385/.539(2012 .279 .356 .443 – .333 BABIP)
    Road .249/.327/.413(2012 .252 .339 .340 – .325 BABIP)

    but hey Upton was an MVP candidate in 2011

    Home .333/.411/.622
    Road .246/.328/.439

    Comment by Hmm — July 16, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  6. not saying Upton isn’t good, just sick of FG writers ignoring the H/R splits of 29 teams

    Comment by Hmm — July 16, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  7. Every team in baseball has a LF and a RF.

    Comment by jfree — July 16, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

  8. Upton is miscast as a true #3 hitter, that’s one problem. The team has thrust him into that role and left him there, struggles and all. Maybe he’s one of these guys who wilts when the pressure is on, and thrives when less is expected of him? The peripherals don’t show any regression in skill – other than the curiously low HR/FB rate this year – so there’s a good chance that whatever is ailing him is something not directly related to his baseball abilities.

    Comment by kid — July 16, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  9. Are you going to recommend a Victorino to Pittsburgh trade next? Or no, wait – the Dodgers!

    Texas Rangers currently have players who are as good or better than Justin Upton at both corner outfield spots. Upton can’t play center, and Texas’ DH spot is clogged up with the likes of D. Murphy, Napoli, Mike Young and probably Mitch Moreland once he’s back. Makes no sense for Texas to pick him up, unless they’re convinced that he can magically move to CF

    Comment by kid — July 16, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  10. people still talk about the Rockies?

    oh wait, I just proved your point. try coming back when you aren’t losing 100 games!! ahahahahahahaha Go Giants

    Comment by well... — July 16, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  11. Funny I remember the Giants losing 100 Games in 85, and 181 games in 07-08 enjoy your window.

    PS.
    Rockies Road 4.57ERA
    Giants Road 4.85ERA

    Comment by Hmm — July 16, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

  12. I think a lot of it is because Coors is known as a launching pad, while Chase is more of a 2B/3B park (I know that doesn’t change how much of a hitter’s park each is, but it does affect the perception of each). Also, while Chase is a good hitter’s park, it’s not in the same league as Coors (no park really is).

    Comment by KyleL — July 16, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  13. Actually Yankees stadium is much more of a HR Park to either hand than Coors,

    Coors Park Factor
    103-2B 120-3B 122-HR for LHB
    118-2B 166-#B 120-HR for RHB

    Chase Park Factor
    115-2B 172-3B 114-HR for LHB
    117-2B 168-3B 104-HR for RHB

    Comment by Hmm — July 16, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

  14. Upton batting fifth today for the first time this season:

    https://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/224955160999366656

    Comment by gooooooldschmidt — July 16, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  15. uh… he would slot into LF, and move Hamilton over to CF. Easy move for the Rangers who moved Josh out of CF because they were concerned about the wear and tear on his body, but with Upton around, they don’t have to worry about it since they won’t be re-signing Hambone.

    Comment by Adam D — July 16, 2012 @ 6:09 pm

  16. he wasn’t miscast as a #3 hitter a year ago.

    Comment by Spike — July 16, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  17. What he meant by “depending on Josh Hamilton” was if Hamilton does not resign with the Rangers, then the Rangers would make a good trading partner as they would suddenly have a need to replace an all star caliber outfielder.

    Comment by Jared-H — July 16, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

  18. Upton was a CF coming up through the minors, moved because of Chris Young. Could always move him back.

    Comment by junker23 — July 16, 2012 @ 6:39 pm

  19. A trade to the Rangers would make more sense if it happened in the offseason

    Comment by Taylor — July 16, 2012 @ 7:38 pm

  20. You have a time machine?

    Comment by kid — July 16, 2012 @ 8:00 pm

  21. “Miscast”?

    What place should he be cast in? If he’s not a 3 or 4 hitter, I don’t know what he is. As you say, kid, he is ailing, the likely culprit being a nagging wrist injury. I can think of exactly 25 MLB teams that should be interested in Justin Upton (uninterested teams being the Pirates, Rays, Jays and, surprisingly, the Royals).

    Comment by STEALTH — July 16, 2012 @ 8:00 pm

  22. Every team in baseball should be interested.

    Comment by Mark — July 16, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  23. It needs to be reiterated: Kevin Towers knows what he has in Justin Upton. Nobody is going to be buying low for an age-24 franchise player with a very friendly contract. I couldn’t see him going to Pittsburgh for anything less than Marte/Grossman + Cole/Taillon + Hanson, or something similar. That being said, if Arizona is able to get that kind of package back, they should accept. There really aren’t that many TRULY untouchables in baseball.

    Comment by #teamteddy — July 16, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  24. forgot to make my primary point: Justin Upton is probably not going anywhere.

    Comment by #teamteddy — July 16, 2012 @ 9:12 pm

  25. Well…you showed him! Wow, I bet he’ll never come back to Fangraphs again. Not after that statistically-based beatdown. But you don’t concern yourself with trifles like that. You’re too busy polishing that 2010 World Series ring you got for being a fan of the Giants.

    Comment by Mcneildon — July 16, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  26. 2 things stand out when looking at Upton’s numbers: his high ground ball rate and his high contact rate on balls out of the zone. If he were hitting fly balls like he has throughout his career there might not be talk of trading him b/c he’d have more homers. Maybe the fact that he’s putting more balls outside the zone in play explains the increased GB rate.

    Comment by chuckb — July 16, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

  27. Yeah, who said he can’t play CF? At the very least he could fake it – he’s had good defensive metrics for years.

    Comment by BlackOps — July 17, 2012 @ 3:54 am

  28. Are you really suggesting his position in the batting order is the culprit of his woes? Come on…

    Comment by BlackOps — July 17, 2012 @ 3:56 am

  29. I can’t reply to the comment where you said it, but those handedness park factors are entirely made up. Or at least nowhere near those I found on fangraphs’ own “Guts!” page.

    Comment by Dave — July 17, 2012 @ 7:02 am

  30. The rarity here is that Upton has been really good (without getting into just how good) – in the major leagues – when he was very young, and might be traded. Not one of the possible comps you list comes close to fitting that description. (The closest of the lot might be Ramirez a couple of years back, but not Ramirez when he was traded.)

    Try this question: How many players have finished in the top 5 in MVP voting and then been traded before they turned 25? I bet that’s a very short list.

    Comment by Mr Punch — July 17, 2012 @ 9:45 am

  31. BTW, my suggested comp is a blast from the past, Ruben Sierra. This is a guy who was very good very young — but a long-term big-money contract such as we’ve seen lately would have been a mistake.

    Comment by Mr Punch — July 17, 2012 @ 9:54 am

  32. what does yankee stadium have to do with anything?

    Comment by Sleight of Hand Pro — July 17, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  33. I love the people who rag others’ suggestions as incorrect, but offer nothing of their own.

    Comment by kid — July 17, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

  34. Is this rhetoric? Still possesses good on-base skills and speed, bat him 1st or 2nd, or hell, 5th or 6th. It’s simple arithmetic – there are 9 spots in the order, 8 if you exclude the pitcher. I suggested moving him out of the 3rd and 4th spots for a while, so with a total of 8 available lineup spots, minus 2 (3rd and 4th), you’re left with 6 different spots for him to hit. Is that clear enough?

    Comment by kid — July 17, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  35. I was using Statcorner which uses a 3 year average

    Comment by Hmm — July 17, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  36. Glad to be loved.

    Shoulder injury, thumb injury, out-of-zone swing profile, how he strikes out.

    http://www.dbacksvenom.com/2012-articles/may/justin-upton-leads-nl-in-strikeouts-looking.html

    His career slash line batting third is .285/.363/.487, which is actually better than his overall career numbers (.276/.357/.476). And as for him wilting under pressure, this year he’s been much better with runners on (.284/.352/.454) or in scoring position (.275/.347/.500) than otherwise (.259/.355/.340)

    It was such a dumb suggestion that I didn’t bother touching it, but now that I did I hope you see why it wasn’t worth debating.

    Comment by BlackOps — July 17, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  37. My gut says he stays in Arizona. However if he does get dealt I think he will end up in Toronto. They have the young talent needed to get a deal done.

    Comment by Matt T — July 20, 2012 @ 3:08 am

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