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  1. And Buster’s showing us how broken WAR is when it comes to catchers. Thanks Buster.

    Comment by lester bangs — August 14, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

  2. Please explain. I understand the defensive side, but specifically with Buster Posey, what do you mean?

    Comment by Thomas Grantham — August 14, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

  3. I don’t fully understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?

    Comment by williams .482 — August 14, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  4. I don’t think McCutchen’s negative defensive rating is a mistake, he’s been negative over a period of almost 4 seasons at this point overall.

    Comment by Colin — August 14, 2012 @ 1:19 pm

  5. I think the idea is that it’s not so much that his defensive rating is a mistake – more that it’s hard to reconcile with what fans see. That’s one of the reasons defensive metrics are so messy, so difficult to create, and so controversial – they just often don’t match our perceptions.

    That also happens to be why they’re awesome, though, or have the potential to be.

    Comment by Bret Turner — August 14, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

  6. Guys who are truly elite defenders are boring to watch. They are always in the right place at exactly the right time, they don’t have to dive and make spectacular catches. McCutchen looks great in the outfield because he makes up for mistakes in spectacular fashion, which is why fans have a lot of issues with defensive metrics and outfielders

    Comment by J6takish — August 14, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  7. As much as I love the Giants and Posey, I cant help but think it will be difficult for Posey to keep this up and win the award. We cant ignore two things, buster’s body in the last 40+ games holding up enough that he plays in enough games at such a high level and that he has had ridiculous hot streaks like this before (see the 2010 summer). Posey is an unbelievable talent, as much as I want Posey to hold if not exceed his current triple slash line, I don’t think he can sustain it, not this year at least.

    Side note: Posey gets a great rap for handling the ‘Staff, but he has barely caught Timmy all year, same goes for Zito. They have preferred Sanchez. Maybe I’m not well read enough or “in the know” but I find that odd. Neither of those two are having great seasons (Timmy’s is well chronicled) and I can’t imagine that Sanchez calls a better game nor frames a better pitch than Buster. For a guy to win the award, he has to catch more than 3/5 of the staff right? Now, Buster’s days off could be the ones that coincide with their starts and maybe that’s why it has worked out how it has, but there has been discussion about those two preferring to work with Sanchez over the Golden Boy. Anyone have any intel?

    Comment by Giants 162-0 — August 14, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  8. Decent arguments for Posey, but this article should have mentioned Carlos Ruiz, if only in passing (maybe it would have if the author sorted the Min. PA by something other than “Qualified”?). Yes, he’s on the DL, and as a result will not be able to accumulate enough plate appearances to qualify for anything. But his wRC+ is 157 and he also has 5 WAR, in 78 fewer PAs.

    Comment by Richard — August 14, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  9. Is this about who deserves consideration or who will get consideration. If the former, Michael Bourn deserves more than a passing mention, if the latter Melky will get a lot of support if he leads the league in hitz and runz.

    Comment by TKDC — August 14, 2012 @ 1:37 pm

  10. As a Giants fan, I can say that Buster Posey has excellent defense. As well, he is definitely not fast, but usually can take an extra base and doesn’t actively hurt you on the basepaths. Offensively, his season and Johnny Bench’s 1972 season are comparable (Bench had a 155 wrc+ to Posey’s 158) – the only difference is fielding metrics (which are bad for most positions, but completely worthless for catchers) and baserunning metrics (which didn’t even exist in Bench’s time and seem to hate Posey more than they should). The difference because of these is 3 WAR, which is huge. I still think McCutchen should win the MVP if it were awarded tomorrow (even as a Giants fan), but I find it very hard to believe that with his ridiculous offensive numbers, Posey doesn’t have a higher WAR than he does now.

    Comment by Oren — August 14, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  11. It’s not those two preferring to work with Sanchez, not sure where you heard that. It’s that considering it doesn’t seem to matter who is back there in terms of numbers, those two are much more tiring and brutal to catch. It’s another form of keeping him fresh by limiting the beatings that he takes behind the plate from the guys on the staff with less control who don’t always know where their balls are going.

    Comment by Sara — August 14, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  12. The MelkMan has had a hell of a season, but the power #’s just are not there. Voters like the high AVG but also love the SLG (HR’s). Posey and McCutch have ISO’s to go with their AVGS and the power counting #’s that go with them.

    McCutch .245 ISO 23HR 71RBI
    Posey .214 ISO 19HR 76RBI
    Melk .169 ISO 11HR 60RBI

    Comment by Giants 162-0 — August 14, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  13. Thanks, that sounds about right, especially given this article i just found:

    “Posey also understood the negative perception of him not catching as Lincecum tries to bust out of his seasonlong travails.

    “We knew coming from a media standpoint there would be that question,” he said. “There’s nothing there. No point looking any further into it.”

    Comment by Giants 162-0 — August 14, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  14. “Guys who are truly elite defenders are boring to watch.”

    This might be true in some case, but it’s hardly a general rule. A few names from the top of my head who were both truly elite and not boring: Ozzie Smith, Brooks Robinson, Andruw Jones, Ichiro.

    Comment by DJG — August 14, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  15. Zito worked with Sanchez last year during his rehab in the minors and had success. The Giants have had those two work together since. At this point they are willing to give Zito any sort of edge, real or not, to get production out of him.

    Bochy has said that Lincecum throws a lot of balls in the dirt and would prefer to keep Posey from getting beat up because of this. I’m sure Posey and Lincecum work fine together considering their success the last couple of years.

    Comment by efarenas78 — August 14, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

  16. Bork has been better about this recently. I believe Buster caught both Timmy’s and Zito’s last starts. The Giants had a stupid ‘personal catcher’ idea earlier in the season, but thankfully seem to have abandoned it. And the fact is that Posey is not catching 3/5 of games – he’s caught 4/5 of games he’s started, and 72% of games in total.

    I do agree, though, that it will be tough for Posey to win the award. As much as we hope he will, it is very unlikely that he will continue his torrid second half pace. As well, while I really hope we never have to worry about his ankle again, it’s still lingering there, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him have some (minor) problems late in the season, and if the Giants are likely to have a playoff spot (which, if the offense comes around and Cain gets back to how he was pre-all star break, is likely), they would rest him to make sure he’s healthy in the playoffs.

    I’d say that the comeback player of the year is all but sewn up, though, assuming he finishes the year. Of course, that’s what we said about Vogelsong last year…

    Comment by Oren — August 14, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  17. Big power numbers are usually there for the winner, but when there isn’t a player with them on a playoff team, other guys get consideration, too. The big power numbers you’re talking about are more like 35-40 HR seasons and lets be honest having well over 100 RBIz is important, even if it is a meaningless stat. 26 HR or whatever it is Posey is on pace for will not exactly bowl over the average voter. In these cases, sometimes a guy that leads the league in a couple traditional stats can sneak in and win (a la Pedroia in 2008).

    Comment by TKDC — August 14, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  18. throwing arm aside, ichiro was pretty boring when he made catches, imo. a couple of notable web gems, but….mostly boring.

    Comment by anon — August 14, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  19. This is my thought as well. The article says “If Posey continues to produce as he has through the Giants’ first 116 games…” but to me, that’s an enormous ‘If’. He’s playing out of his mind right now, and he plays the most demanding position on the field. Not a good recipe for keeping it up.

    That said, he’s had a helluva year and he should be in the running if he doesn’t tank over the next month and a half. But I don’t see him winning unless he has a stellar September.

    Comment by vivalajeter — August 14, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  20. The problem is everyone “as a [blank] fan,” just about, thinks their catcher is great defensively.

    Also, Posey should be dinged a bit for his offensive contributions because some of them come as a first baseman. I don’t think Bench did the same.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “actively hurt you on the basepaths,” but if one guy is fast and one is slow, there is an actual difference in value there.

    Comment by TKDC — August 14, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

  21. Buster Posey is hurting his value on the base paths in fWAR and rWAR too. Unless rWAR doesn’t include baserunning. His defense is considered average in rWAR and fWAR, so I think you may overrate his defense. On the eye test, he’s no Yadier or Cooch.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — August 14, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  22. It would also be a big mistake to believe that the last month of data for Cutch and Posey carries that much importance for what they’ll do that last 1 1/2 months. There is no reason to believe Cutch will stay “cooled off” or that Posey will remain red not; at least no reason any more persuasive than the likelihood that they again switch roles.

    Comment by TKDC — August 14, 2012 @ 2:13 pm

  23. Even though he’s fallen off a little don’t forget Heyward.

    Comment by MauerPower — August 14, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  24. @TDKC, yeah, there is a bit of a bias there. However, comparing him to other catchers the Giants have had recently (Chris Stewart, Eli Whiteside, Hector Sanchez, Bengie Molina), I think Buster is a better defender than all of them, with the possible exception of Stewart. Now, those guys could just be way worse than average, but I’m not just saying that with no information.

    I do agree that Buster should be dinged for his playing time as a first baseman, but that still doesn’t make up for the 3 win advantage that Bench’s 1972 season has. I’m not saying Buster is having that good a season, just that it’s probably closer than the WAR difference shows.

    Comment by Oren — August 14, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  25. I can see support for Posey and the MVP award (third place?) but McCutchen is having such an amazing year that I think we can’t ignore that. I don’t care about the playoffs or not, for me the MVP is an award for the best player. McCutchen is simply the best player in the NL.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — August 14, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  26. The problem is everyone “as a [blank] fan,” just about, thinks their catcher is great defensively.

    I can guarantee you the Rockies don’t think this.

    Comment by apistat — August 14, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

  27. mccutchen is playing WAY over his head this year, .408 BABIP (80 points above career average, LD% up too, but not enough to produce that kind of BABIP), 21.3% HR/FB (up 9 percentage points over career average, yet with career-low FB%), combined with the lowest BB% and second highest K% (backed by a career high SwStr%, O-Sw%, and career lows in both in and out of zone contact rates) of his career.

    Comment by jim — August 14, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

  28. So you’re not gonna give someone an MVP award if they’re the best player in their league even if their performance is unlikely to occur again?

    Comment by MauerPower — August 14, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  29. Ruiz has had a solid year, to be sure, but I have hard time reconciling the crux of this article with the fact that Yadier Molina’s name appears absolutely nowhere. Maybe it’s because he’s hidden on a team with Holliday and Beltran and we’re still struck in the mindset of 10 years ago that says Posey’s more “valuable” because his teammates aren’t as good.

    It’s pretty silly to ignore the case that Molina’s making, in his best season, for MVP. Posey’s a great young catcher but Molina’s just been better this year. McCutchen’s still the favorite but, at this point, Molina has to finish above either Posey or, certainly, Ruiz.

    Comment by chuckb — August 14, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  30. As a Nats fan watching Jesus Flores play I do not in any way shape or form think he is a good defensive catcher–hence Kurt Suzuki–so every fan does not in fact think that his catcher is good defensively. Most Nats fans would agree with me, but Fangraphs puts Flores’ RPP at 2.5 and his CPP at 33. Which me eyes tell me is terribly inaccurate and it’s not just me eyes, but Mike Rizzo must have agreed with me or else he wouldn’t have traded for a defense-first catcher like Suzuki.

    Comment by Pig.Pen — August 14, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  31. Hmmm…
    Yadier Molina: .315/.365/.503=139 wRC+; 4.7 WAR
    Buster Posey: .332/.406/.547=158 wRC+; 5.0 WAR
    Offensively its not even close. Even including catcher defense (which, while Molina is almost certainly better its hard to say by how much do to the unreliability of Catcher defense metrics at this point), Posey has been more valuable. Why does Molina have to finish above Posey?

    For Ruiz, the difference between Posey and Ruiz is miniscule offensively. Posey has playing time on his side, but Ruiz always catches and according to our current fielding metrics, is a slightly better defender. Between these two, it comes down to ROS expectations and team performance (which IMO shouldn’t be a primary factor, but make a good tie breaker)

    Comment by Jack — August 14, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  32. @apistat

    oh man, rosario and hernandez are sooo freaking bad

    Comment by jim — August 14, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  33. not when it’s something of the magnitude mccutchen is exhibiting this year, no.

    Comment by jim — August 14, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

  34. I’d’ve thought Molina would get a mention in such an article, too, though Posey’s having the better year. Ruiz was having a better year than either of them. But he’s not playing now and as a result won’t get anywhere near the playing time (if he plays at all the rest of the way), plus the Phillies have had a shitty season, so he’s obviously not in the running. I mainly brought him up because of the comparisons to other catcher-seasons.

    Comment by Richard — August 14, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

  35. LOL at jim. He’s getting too many hits and too many home runs – we can’t give him the MVP!

    Comment by vivalajeter — August 14, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  36. All of these guys are pretty close in the WAR department, and I do think that MVP voters are paying very close attention to WAR these days:

    Andrew McCutchen
    David Wright
    Michael Bourn
    Ryan Braun
    Buster Posey
    Carlos Ruiz
    Chase Headley
    Jason Heyward
    Joey Votto
    Yadier Molina
    Matt Holliday
    Melky Cabrera

    This strikes me as one of the most competitive MVP races I’ve ever seen. I believe that it will come down to three things: 1) Who is getting the most hype for MVP in the second half of September, 2) Who has the hottest final month and a half of the season (related to the first factor), and, unfortunately, 3) Whose team makes it to the playoffs. If you have a player with just impossible to ignore numbers, and there is a big, obvious separation between him and everybody else, he gets the MVP, whether his team makes the playoffs or not. Otherwise, voters are unfortunately buying into the argument that the best player needs to lead his team to the playoffs.

    That means that, for all intents and purposes, it comes down to which of these guys play for teams that make the playoffs and have the hottest final month and a half of the season:

    Andrew McCutchen
    Michael Bourn
    Buster Posey
    Jason Heyward
    Joey Votto
    Yadier Molina
    Matt Holliday
    Melky Cabrera

    We can narrow it down even further, really, since Votto should continue to miss games for a while, and Molina surely does not have it in him to post monster offensive numbers down the stretch:

    Andrew McCutchen
    Michael Bourn
    Buster Posey
    Jason Heyward
    Matt Holliday
    Melky Cabrera

    Having said all of that, the Pirates are such a great story, and it’s been such a long time since they made the playoffs… if the Pirates get into the playoffs, and so long as McCutchen’s production does not fall off a cliff, down the stretch, I have to think that it’s his award to lose. Otherwise, it should come down to the above three factors.

    Holliday strikes me as a sneaky dark horse MVP candidate right now; if he and the Cardinals can get hot at the same time (thereby overcoming the Pirates and facing the Braves in the wild card game), I can see him coming out of nowhere and winning this thing, especially if the Giants fail to make it to the playoffs, which knocks out Posey and Cabrera.

    Comment by Robbie G. — August 14, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  37. Jim, MVP season’s require far above league average performances. You don’t punish a guy for overachieving, you reward it. The MVP is rewarded for what a player did produce, not what he will in the future.

    Comment by PiratesHurdles — August 14, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  38. I like your final list, but I’d replace Bourn with Votto. Votto is missing time, but a lot of Bourn’s value comes from defense, which is historically underrated by MVP voters. Votto could also get the ‘best player on the best team’ vote.

    Comment by Jack — August 14, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  39. one caveat about McCutchen’s defensive ratings is that the metrics for his first two seasons were tainted by an unusual outfield shift, that thankfully ended when John Russell was fired after the 2010 season.

    Comment by gonfalon — August 14, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

  40. Yes, the narrative of getting the Pirates to the playoffs after more than 20 years will guarantee McCutchen the MVP unless he basically dies between now and then. (And if he does fall off a cliff, the Pirates playoff odds probably disappear with him.)

    Votto will not have with the number of games missed, especially since the current narrative is “See how well the Reds are doing without him!”.

    Comment by Nate — August 14, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  41. I agree about Holliday. I disagree that Heyward or Bourn have much of a shot at actually winning, and I’m a Braves fan. They derive way too much from defense and baserunning. If either is absolutely tremendous and they overtake the Nats, then maybe.

    Comment by TKDC — August 14, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  42. Yeah, both Ruiz and Molina have actually been better when you factor in the difference in playing time.

    Comment by mattybobo — August 14, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  43. To be fair, having a higher SwStr%/K% and HR/FB % might be indicative of a more power heavy approach. Figured that’d be at least worth mentioning. The BaBIP will certainly regress, but the HR/FB% might not regress as much as you might think.

    Also, coming into this season, he was still developing as a player with power, remember that as well. He might be closer to a .300 than .350 hitter, but you can’t just completely believe he’ll regress to his first 2 season numbers with the data you have.

    Comment by Justin M. — August 14, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  44. heck the Pirates finishing above .500 will probably be even to get McCutchen the MVP even if they don’t make playoffs, the narrative points for doing even that will probably be enough with his hitting #s even if he has a subpar last 50 games.

    Comment by Justin M. — August 14, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  45. i’m sorry i have a different standard of rewarding luck than you guys, and i’m sorry you feel the need to give me minus votes for it

    Comment by jim — August 14, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  46. DJG, as a longtime Braves fans, I can also attest that Andruw Jones was boring to watch on defense at his best. He’d get such a huge jump chasing down fly balls that he was coasting by the time he reached it. Made a ton of catches in stride and seemed to be gliding by the time he was at where the ball. He didn’t make a ton of full extension dives, and when he dove, he was usually just scooping a ball low off the turf and landed smoothly.

    It was exciting to see just how damn far he’d traveled to get to a ball, but watching on television, he covered half the distance before the camera ever alighted on him. A top ten highlight of best catches in Andruw’s career is probably less exciting than a top ten list of catches by Aaron Roward, Gary Matthews Jr., or Andrew McCutchen.

    Comment by Bronnt — August 14, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

  47. In 1970 Bench started 130 games at C, 17 in the OF, and 5 at 1B. There’s no way Posey is going to end up starting 130 games behind the plate or equal Bench’s total games played this season (in large part because of last year’s injury) but he’s also not going to benefit from spending a lot more time away from the plate than Bench did.

    Comment by RoneFace — August 14, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

  48. The thing about Posey’s hot streak is that it started and a good chunk of it happened without anyone batting behind him. He was getting pitched around a lot. Now with Sandoval coming back and Pence added, they’re not going to be able to avoid Posey. So not only could he easily stay as hot, he could have even get hotter.

    Yes, regression is always out there, but this is Posey’s first full season in the majors. We really don’t have any idea what he plays like over the course of a full season at this level. He doesn’t even know.

    That said, I expect McCutchen to run away with it unless he stays cool & the Pirates fall out of it because of that. The story is just too good, and decades of watching this game make East Coast Bias as absolute a fact as the sun rising (in the east, damnit!).

    Comment by Paddy — August 14, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  49. As a Manchester United fan, I can say that I have no idea who this Buster Posey chap even is.

    Comment by Rupert McTavish — August 14, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  50. Paddy, his OPS over the last month is over 1.300 (according to the article). His hot streak, pro-rated for a full season, would be over 15WAR. Sorry, but he cannot easily stay as hot or even get hotter.

    Comment by vivalajeter — August 14, 2012 @ 6:32 pm

  51. Let’s not make too much of Posey’s stats as a 1st baseman. In the combined games that he played as something other than C (1b/DH/PH), he has 1 hr and 10 RBI, so the bulk of his offensive numbers are as a C.

    Comment by Barry — August 14, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

  52. Lincecum and Posey have a friendly difference of opinion on who should call a game.

    Comment by channelclemente — August 14, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  53. Could it be because McCutchen plays in a ballpark where the left-center field wall is 410 feet away? That allows a lot more balls to fall into his zone. A 411 foot drive to left center would be a homerun in almost any other ballpark, leaving the center fielder off the hook, but in PNC Park, that ball would bounce off the wall and McCutchen’s UZR goes down for not making the play.

    Comment by Dragoslav — August 14, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  54. Posey is merely an average 1B faking defense at catcher. Playing him at 1B even exposed him as bat only. For the Giants, a catcher who can’t frame pitches to get his pitchers strikes, is so-so at throwing out baserunners and can’t get along with pitchers (like Lincecum) isn’t as valuable as a plus defense catcher with a weak bat. But the Giants have such weak offense and poor position evaluation/development (Gary Brown is their top prospect) they are using Posey with Yadier Molina or Carlos Ruiz would be immensely more valuable to a stacked pitching rotation, 2012 offensive surge not considered.

    He shouldn’t even be in the MVP conservation, but he should be a shoo-in for Comeback Player of the Year.

    Comment by PrinceOfBeers — August 14, 2012 @ 10:37 pm

  55. Did you even bother to look at any stats chuck?

    Becasue your assertion that Yadier has been better than Posey is completely false.

    Comment by cs3 — August 15, 2012 @ 12:09 am

  56. Got pu$$y on my mind and patron all in my cup

    Comment by Don Draper — August 15, 2012 @ 12:29 am

  57. jim sorry but thats the most idiotic line of thinking ive seen on this site in a long time

    Comment by cs3 — August 15, 2012 @ 1:03 am

  58. Somehow I feel complemented that I could receive such a horrible reply. I’m sorry man, but Posey, Trout, and McCutchen are all playing over their heads. If we were to award the MVPs to the best player minus luck, then where would the fun be in that. Might as well give it to Pujols or Bautista every year, screw playing the game.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — August 15, 2012 @ 3:17 am

  59. hmmm, I looked at your Tope 30 C’ list and thought, didn’t Javy Lopez have a monster season…

    Javy Lopez is missing from your Top 30 Catchers list

    He doesn’t ‘qualify’ being 8PA short, but then that makes 7WAR in less playing time even more valuable as WAR is cumulative (and your ‘top 30 Catchers’ had no such qualification about being Batting title only qualified seasons)

    Back on topic, Posey is an easy guy to root for (seems a good guy, back from nasty injury, leader type) so good for him having a great season

    Comment by Paul — August 15, 2012 @ 4:16 am

  60. Barry, why should that matter at all? If he stinks offensively at first base/DH, he is still depriving the team of good value. It all counts. Of course, since you cited RBI, I think you might just be new here.

    Comment by TKDC — August 15, 2012 @ 9:32 am

  61. FWIW, Pittsburgh is not the East Coast.

    Comment by TKDC — August 15, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  62. He does have that boyish, “All-American,” white face.

    Comment by TKDC — August 15, 2012 @ 9:37 am

  63. It’s ironic that there is now MVP talk for Posey when he drew so much negative ink for starting in front of Molina in the All Star game. He won’t win the MVP
    unless McCutchen really stumbles, but he is the Giants best hope. (Melky deserves mention, but doesn’t hit for enough power)

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — August 15, 2012 @ 9:44 am

  64. Man, the commenters on this site are desparate to attack people on trivial grounds. TKDC and J6 make excellent points with deliberately hyperbolic language to drive the point home and they get savaged.
    Are you going to tell me that you have never used words such as “every” and “boring” when they weren’t literally true?

    Comment by Baltar — August 15, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  65. The main reason he’s in the discussion is because of what he’s done after the All-Star break (1.300+ OPS). It’s entirely possible for someone to not be worthy of an All-Star start, but to wind up as the MVP.

    Comment by vivalajeter — August 15, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  66. Paddy, search this site and you will find that “protection” does not really exist.

    Comment by Baltar — August 15, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  67. chuckb, you make a good point on Molina’s possibly being the real MVP, but the thrust of Wendy’s article was about who is likely to be voted MVP.
    The writers are not likely to give Molina enough credit for his defense.

    Comment by Baltar — August 15, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

  68. Who was upset about Posey starting in front of Molina?

    Molina’s offensive numbers at the break weren’t comparable to Chooch’s

    Comment by YanksFanInBeantown — August 15, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  69. “…Braun’s Brewers are not contenting this year…”

    I bet you meant “contending,” but people in Milwaukee are probably not very content, either.

    Comment by Matthias — August 15, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  70. Gotta agree with you. Posey will probably struggle now that Melky Cabrera was busted for PEDs.

    And Posey has allowed 63 stolen bases compared to Molina’s 28(that guy controls the bases and calls a much better game behind the plate.) Posey is hitting like a superstar but shouldn’t people wait til the end of the season to see who’s in the playoffs and who’s still carrying his team on his back.

    When a team has 2 all-star pitchers, 1 guy who was a Cy Young winner for a few seasons, and another guy who should have been an all-star… aren’t they underachieving? 3 guys with ERAs under 3, a guy who was an elite ace for years, and Zito(who’s your worst at 9-8 with a 4.29 ERA; better than most number 5 pitchers the league has)…

    Posey isn’t the best hitter on the Giants, but he’s the MVP? I’d go with Mccutchen, Holliday, or maybe even Kemp if he continues to put up such a monstrous season with so few at-bats and being injured half the year.

    Comment by Kyle — August 15, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  71. So you say…
    “McCutchen has cooled off a bit in the second half. . . McCutchen’s second-half line sits at: .347/.427/.525 with four home runs.

    For the season, Posey’s batting .332/.406/.547″

    A cooled off McCutchen is has a better triple slash than Posey’s season line. I know where my vote would go.

    Comment by adohaj — August 20, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  72. you guys love stats too much. Watch the games. Watch the players and how they react and handle themselves. Defensive stats are a joke and all these stats will never compare to watching them play.

    Comment by seth — August 26, 2012 @ 8:43 am

  73. Buster Posey has a great arm, but many Giants pitchers are slow out of the stretch. Posey finished 4th on a MLB PLAYER poll on who is hardest to run against, only finishing behind Wieters, Yadier, and Miguel Olivo. Most runners steal off of the pitcher, rather than off of Posey. The fact that so many casual observers count his defense as a negative proves that catcher defensive stats are flawed, and they have no clue what they are talking about. He’s not Yadier Molina defensively, but he’s pretty damn good.

    The main reason that he doesn’t play catcher as often as most elite starters is that he’s a year removed from a horrific leg injury and the Giants are protective of their star player’s future, like in Strasburg’s case.

    As for the Giants’ prospect development, they tend to draft late, focus on pitching, and try to fill the offense from outside their system. If a position player falls into their lap (Posey) or just hits out of nowhere (Sandoval) it’s just gravy. It’s a different approach than a lot of clubs have, but it seems to be working just fine.

    Comment by UniversalRulerOfBeers — September 15, 2012 @ 8:46 pm

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