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  1. Good to know we can count to four….

    Comment by Jack — August 15, 2012 @ 10:51 am

  2. But otherwise good article.

    Comment by Jack — August 15, 2012 @ 10:51 am

  3. fixed and thanks!

    Comment by Eno Sarris — August 15, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  4. Despite the Mets’ up-and-down season, which has been trending down down down for a while, watching and following R.A. has been a bright spot for a long-time fan of the erratic and frustrating Queens Crushers. Here’s to Robert Allen’s continued success in endeavors both on and off the field, and hoping that he does receive a fair multi-year deal.

    Comment by Mike B. — August 15, 2012 @ 1:37 pm

  5. So how much do the Mets factor in the perceived longevity of knuckleballers. Ordinarily, a longer deal for a 38 year old makes no sense, but what if he can do this until he’s 45? Perhaps something like the Wakefield deal with multiple mutual options, but with a higher salary given the difference in talent?

    Comment by Steve — August 15, 2012 @ 1:43 pm

  6. The Hudson deal is without a doubt the best value any team in the MLB is getting for a veteran starter, and it isn’t even close. Mark Buehrle got $58m for 4 years and you think Dickey will sign for less than 10? Not a chance. The other guys on your list represent good value because of injury history/risk, or other uncertainty such as Kuroda adapting to the MLB, not because that is demonstrative of the market. Dickey signing for less than $12m per whether on a 3 or 4 year contract would be cause to fire his agent.

    Comment by Marcus Turner — August 15, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  7. Disagree with some of this: there’s risk associated with Dickey associated with the unpredictability of his primary pitch. And Kuroda is mostly old, he’s been in America for long enough that his contract with the Yankees is representative. Sure, Hudson is great value, but 3/30 would not be cause to fire the agent, in my opinion. If Dickey ‘reverted’ to closer to a two-win guy like he was the last two years, that contract would make sense for both player and team.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — August 15, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  8. It’s a decent idea, but Wakefield had pitched longer for the Sox at the time that they came to that arrangement, and might therefore have had more loyalty to the organization. Dickey, who has struggled for so long, might prefer a ‘normal’ contract and the security it entails. After all, a three-year deal would take him to 43 already since he’s signed for next year.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — August 15, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

  9. Marcus, I think you’re underestimating the risk with Dickey. People think that knuckleball pitchers can pitch forever, but Wakefield wasn’t exactly at his peak for the last few years of his career, and Dickey is a max-effort knuckleballer. He throws it 80 mph, not 60 mph.

    I think $10-12MM/year is about right, but I don’t see him getting much more than that if he wants a guaranteed third year.

    Comment by vivalajeter — August 15, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  10. Dickey has been outstanding in 2012, and his 2010 and 2011 seasons were good. But he’s born in 1974, and he relies almost exclusively on a pitch that almost no other professional baseball pitcher can throw successfully. I don’t know all the reasons why the knuckle ball is so rare, but it makes sense to me that a big factor is that it is extremely difficult to throw it well, consistently. Again, Dickey has been doing it well for ~550 innings and 3 seasons, and extremely well for the most recent 162 innings, but couldn’t it just as quickly disappear? And then what? With many aging pitchers, loss of velocity is a big concern that could lead to drastically reduced performance. For a pitcher of any age, injury concerns are always there. For a 40-year-old pitcher throwing the craziest pitch in the game, I would have a very difficult time offering him multiple seasons of guaranteed money in the $10million/year range. His $5million team option should get picked up without much thought, but beyond that I wouldn’t promise him anything.

    Comment by hildebeast21 — August 15, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

  11. Wonder if Jeremy Lin informs this discussion? THudson is a good base. On top of that, how do you quantify Dickey’s value to the Mets based upon sentiments of Mets fans/ box office value?

    Comment by Keith — August 15, 2012 @ 10:23 pm

  12. As a Met fan I love Mr.Dickey but we have to be careful on any LT contracts to 38 yr olds. At the same time ,I want to see RA get what he deserves. Extending his contract for 4(including option) more yrs could be painful to a team that needs to avoid these contracts. Tough spot

    Comment by Scott G — August 16, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

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