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  1. I would say yes, as long as he didn’t get shelled doing it obviously. Getting and staying ahead in the count is up there in terms of importance for a pitcher and only throwing seven pitches from behind is pretty amazing.

    A question, if you have the data: Were all seven pitches thrown in different at-bats or were some in the same at-bat?

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — August 28, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  2. Actually, another question: How did you acquire the pitch count data?

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — August 28, 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  3. I don’t know how to relate this to what you’re talking about, but the first thing I thought of was Hector Noesi’s habit this season of having awful things done to him when he’s in 0-2 counts. Having the control to throw first pitch strikes is nice and all, but finishing the job is, well, everything.

    Comment by Snowblind — August 28, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  4. I maintain my own database that powers and got the data out of there since I know that schema more intimately, but here at FanGraphs, Appleman also trans the same data. It’s not difficult to pull out if you have per-pitch records.

    The seven weren’t thrown all in different at-bats. In fact, Beavan walked Morneau on four pitches in the 2nd inning of that start so three of the seven (the 1-0, the 2-0 and the 3-0 pitch) came all in one PA. The other four were spread out.

    Comment by Matthew Carruth — August 28, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  5. Appleman?

    Pretty amazing that with three of them in the same at-bat, that means he was only behind in five different ABs…

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — August 28, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  6. Dangit, Appelman*

    Sorry, boss. No… no, not the whip!

    Comment by Matthew Carruth — August 28, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  7. The stat you just created should be on the site, personally I think it’s extremely important, the ability to work ahead in the count and stay ahead, and while we have F-strike%, we don’t have anything like what you did. I think that would tell us a lot about pitchers. In particular I suspect it would explain away a little bit of BABIP, which is always helpful.

    Comment by Corey — August 28, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  8. This was actually what I was thinking as well. I was hoping to maybe take a gander at some guys pitch counts over the years and see if there was anything goin’ on there, maybe something to do with outperforming peripherals? Was thinking Cain, Vogelsong…I wonder if Maddux has that data?

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — August 28, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  9. Oh, right, and Buerhle. Can’t forget him.

    Comment by Ruki Motomiya — August 28, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

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