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  1. Sounds a bit like the last Reds lefty SP prospect, Travis Wood, who also put up stellar minor league numbers without having elite stuff. Thus far, he’s shown himself to be a back-of-the-rotation starter in his time with the Reds and the Cubs.

    Comment by RedsManRick — September 17, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  2. Everyone knows that the speed at which you advance through the minor league system is the major determining factor in what type of player you will be. Are you also predicting he will be traded to the Cubs and grow long hair.

    Comment by RA Rowe — September 17, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  3. I don’t know who was actually called up first, but Maronde made his first appearance a week earlier than Cingrani.

    Comment by Paul — September 17, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

  4. Worst case scenario, he develops into a J.P. Howell type?

    Comment by Daren M — September 17, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

  5. True, but the comparison was to players drafted in the 1st round of the 2011 draft.

    Comment by Mike Newman — September 17, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  6. Ah, I read it the first time just as 2011 draft pick. Since you’re hi-lighting that he was a third rounder who beat a bunch of more highly rated guys to the majors, I have a question about velo.

    He was routinely written up as a big, hard throwing lefty who pitched out of the pen at Rice and was destined to return there in MLB due to the lack of more than a very good fastball. So your velo readings are a big surprise and completely changes the book on him. Of course, it appears to be in a good way and I’m not doubting that you saw what you saw. My question is, do you think the velo takes on him were based on having that better velo out of the Rice bullpen, or was his velo actually just down a bit at the end of his first season after returning to starting? Even the uptick out of the Cincy pen so far is a little light compared to the what the write-ups were saying.

    Comment by Paul — September 17, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  7. No, worst case scenario he’s a minor leaguer.

    Comment by Hardwood panelling — September 17, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  8. Or injured and out of baseball.

    Comment by BX — September 18, 2012 @ 12:44 am

  9. Paul,

    I read your comments rather frequently so I suspect you are familiar with the fact I don’t dig too deep into a guy before seeing him. This was the case with Cingrani.

    If you check his velocity out of the Reds pen, it’s a 2-3 MPH higher on average than what I saw.

    Comment by Mike Newman — September 18, 2012 @ 8:56 am

  10. It’s funny that based on the meteoric rise to the Show by Cingrani. everyone is seeking a reason to discount or discredit his success. Every level he has pitched this season including for the Reds, the kid has performed very well. Simply put, the guy consistently gets outs and that’s why he is pitching for the Reds right now.

    Comment by Jeff — September 18, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

  11. I don’t think anybody is looking to discredit him. I write what I see. Should I call an 88-90 MPH fastball 94-96? Should I write he threw off-speed pitches much more than he actually did, or that they were sharper and better than I saw? All I can be is honest in an assessment based on the pitcher I saw in person.

    Comment by Mike Newman — September 18, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

  12. How can you say Cingrani is not as good as the numbers indicate? Every scout is just waiting for the other shoe to fall, and so far, that hasn’t happened. How many times did you see him pitch? Rather than talk about what you are seeing in terms of raw data driven observations might suggest you analyze why he is continually getting hitters out at every level. It appears to me that he has some deception in his delivery that helps play up his fastball.

    Comment by Jeff — September 18, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  13. Hey, I will have you know… that he cut his hair, so it is short again.

    Comment by Dr_Caligari — September 18, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  14. So something I noticed in the video above, but was a little hard to ID for me was the arm side run on his FB. It shows up a little better in the gifs Carson posted in his article because it’s game action, but the actual movement in your video looks more pronounced due to the angle.

    What’s your take on this? Is that arm side run along with the whippy arm action very rare for a lefthander in your experience? Seems to me like it’s almost an illusion unless you see it from the angle you had in his bullpen, and might be hard to scout.

    Comment by Paul — September 18, 2012 @ 8:35 pm

  15. Cough reds fan cough

    Comment by Kevin — September 19, 2012 @ 11:02 am

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