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  1. They should probably just give him back to the Red Sox. Sox might be willing to return Coco Crisp.

    Comment by Tom Clancy — August 28, 2008 @ 8:17 am

  2. Uhm… no thanks to the Coco idea. It is interesting that Shoppach is what has worked out the best from that deal though for either team.

    Comment by Chris — August 28, 2008 @ 3:04 pm

  3. It would be dumb to trade Shoppach for Crisp. The tribe has plenty of hitters to fill in the 6 through 9 hole of the batting order, which is where crisp would hit. They could make a bigger impact pairing him with one of the many young and talented outfielders to a team looking to rebuild and get someone that can make an impact. Trading him is the right move though. Let Victor catch the next few years and let Carlos Santana take over catching and move Victor to first as he ages and becomes less durable.

    Comment by Jeremy — August 28, 2008 @ 3:10 pm

  4. Shoppach could very well end up back with the BoSox, but it wouldn’t be for Coco Crisp. The Indians have no use for Crisp. And is it fair to call Shoppach a late bloomer when he is succeeding in his very first opportunity? It’s not his fault that he got trapped first behind Varitek and then Martinez.

    How about Shoppach for Nick Markakis?

    Comment by Mick — August 28, 2008 @ 4:37 pm

  5. Nick Markakis? Don’t the O’s already have the top catching prospect in baseball?

    Simple question: Who in the AL or NL, with NL a priority, has a weak starting catcher and has prospects to deal? BlueJays? Brewers? Marlins?

    How about this deal? Shoppach for Uggla, and stick Uggla at 3B.

    Comment by Zonis — August 28, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  6. Jeremy’s above post is most likely to go down. Catchers are scare – most teams are looking for one. And pairing him with one of our OF’s seems like the right direction (and/or a second baseman?)

    Weird thing w/tribe though is…Hafner has a lot to prove at DH. He’s been on the “down” side since all of last year through the present. And Garko has just come on of late but was extremely disappointing since the start of the season. With 1st base and DH in some sort of doubt, having both Martinez and Shoppach around to fill some of those slots could be much needed.

    But I have a feeling another club will make the Tribe an offer for Shoppach that they won’t be able to refuse…

    Comment by Robert — August 28, 2008 @ 4:53 pm

  7. Oh…and Shoppach will not be traded for prospects. Tribe will be shooting for contention in 2009. No doubt about it.

    Comment by Robert — August 28, 2008 @ 4:55 pm

  8. I like the idea of Uggla a lot. What about Shoppach for Brian Roberts or Edwin Encarnacion? Would the Blue Jays trade Ryan and Rios for a package of Shoppach and someone like Aaron Laffey? What about Ryan Garko for Edwin Jackson?

    Comment by Nathan — August 28, 2008 @ 5:02 pm

  9. I can’t even believe you guys even commented on the Shoppach for Crisp deal. Clancy was obviously being facetious.

    The Indians will shop either VMart or Shoppach in a deal for Atkins.

    Comment by Andy — August 28, 2008 @ 6:44 pm

  10. My apologies for the over use of the word “even”.

    Comment by Andy — August 28, 2008 @ 6:44 pm

  11. Atkins is going to wind up at 1B. E. Encarnacion is miserable defensively. The Tribe can do better. I like the idea of pairing Shoppach with an OF (Choo, Gutierrez or Francisco) or a surplus lefty (Sowers, Jackson, Lewis) to get someone who will help immediately. The Reds, Yankees, Red Sox are just a few that need catching. There’s a deal there somewhere.

    Comment by Mick — August 28, 2008 @ 7:14 pm

  12. Who will Boston trade to the Indians that will help immediately? Lowrie to play 3B? I don’t see a fit there. Who are the Yankees going to trade that will help immediately? They might be able to do better than Atkins but I don’t see it from the teams you mentioned.

    Comment by Andy — August 28, 2008 @ 7:36 pm

  13. So Wieters is ready to contribute at the major league level? I don’t think so. Who’s the bridge till he’s ready?

    Comment by Mick — August 28, 2008 @ 7:40 pm

  14. Ummm….you said the Tribe wants someone to help them immediately. Who did you have in mind from Bos, NY, Cin that would help them immediately?

    Yes, Wieters should at least get a shot to compete for job in ST. He probably could use 3-4 months at AAA but he is not far away from being ready to help Balt. He’s played 125 games and with 2-3 months at AAA in ’09 he’ll be at 200 minor league games, give or take….right around the same amount of games Braun and Longoria played before being called up. So yeah, he’s not far away and the gap that needs to be bridged is 1 year at the most.

    Comment by Andy — August 28, 2008 @ 7:49 pm

  15. Bos, NY and Cin were examples. As was pointed out, the majority of MLB clubs are looking for catching. Even the Tigers and White Sox are going to be looking for future backstops (although intra-division deals are tricky). My main point was tha I’m not really happy with the Encarnacion and Atkins solutions. I think we need to look elsewhere. Ready talent is preferable but if we have to take prospects to get the best deal, I’d opt for Juan Francisco and another prospect from Cincy over Encarnacion.

    Comment by Mick — August 28, 2008 @ 7:57 pm

  16. What if Bos offered Clay Buchhotz for Shoppach? Would you bite?

    Comment by Mick — August 28, 2008 @ 7:58 pm

  17. That’s a fair trade. I don’t know if the Sox are ready to give up on him but I think it would be fair considering the Sox depth in the minors and revenue to pay for mistakes they make via the draft or trades. With said I still believe Buch has the ability to be a #1 and it might be a big price to pay for a 28 year old catcher that caught fire for 3 months.

    I just wanted to know who you had in mind. I’ll admit. I never thought of Buchholz because I think of him as being untouchable but as a Sox fan I couldn’t complain about the upgrade Shoppach would be over Varitek right now, at the plate, not sure about behind the plate.

    Comment by Andy — August 28, 2008 @ 8:04 pm

  18. “How about this deal? Shoppach for Uggla, and stick Uggla at 3B.”

    Or, in this hypothetical scenario, the Tribe could just leave Uggla-chaka at 2B, move Drubs Cabrera to SS(like they’ve been planning to), and move Jhonny Peralta to 3B–unless Andy Marte proves to be more than he’s proven to be so far.

    Plus, isn’t the Ghost of Josh Barfield still hiding out somewhere in AAA for the Indians?

    Comment by Jim — August 28, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

  19. Or maybe Michael Bowden plus a lesser prospect. Like I said, there’s a deal in there somewhere.

    Comment by Mick — August 28, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

  20. ‘My apologies for the over use of the word “even”.’

    It’s ok since you were defending me. Even. For the record, I was grousing about the fact the Sox gave up Shoppach for Crisp. While it seemed like a decent deal at the time, assuming they knew Marte was a bust, my Irish Alzheimer’s is going to be doubly bad when they re-sign Varitek because they’re not comfortable with the prospects they now have.

    Comment by Tom Clancy — August 28, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

  21. It is silly to believe that the Indians will trade Shoppach for anything other than a Starting pitcher. IF he is traded, he will be paired up with one of the extra outfielders (I.E Dellucci, Gutz, Choo) and traded for a starting pitcher. Unfortunately, nobody will be trading starting pitching (not good starting pitching, anyway). With that said, do expect the Indians to call up LaPorta and possibly Crowe next year. Grady, LaPorta, and Crowe in the outfield would outbest almost any other team in baseball. Shoppach will catch. Martinez will play first. Hafner will DH. Carroll will be resigned to play second. Droobs will play short. Peralta will play third. Blake will be resigned to split time at first, third, and the outfield. Starting pitching will be the same as it is now but without Sowers. A free agent pitcher will be signed for the 3rd spot. Our bullpen will be backed by Lewis if they do not sign a closer such as Fuentes.

    Comment by Donnie — August 28, 2008 @ 10:11 pm

  22. Francisco and Choo and are far above LaPorta in the impact now capacity. Crowe is not even on the radar as he’s struggled at Buffalo.

    Francisco is showing reason why he may be “the guy”! And Choo’s showing huge upside – timely hits and good base-on-balls. (Guiterrez’s bat has come on over the past month, finally, and his defense is awesome but could be out of the picture in the forseeable future.)

    LaPorta will not get a free pass to the ML’s with these 2 in front of him. With Grady, lefty Delucci with another year left on his hefty contract, and Guiterrez in the picture = that makes 5 guys ahead of him just on the ML level. LaPorta’s chances of having any quality time at the ML’s next season are very slim to none.

    Comment by Robert — August 29, 2008 @ 7:07 am

  23. There is absolutely no indication that Tribe management is even thinking about Peralta at 3B. He’s played only a handful of games there in his entire career and doesn’t even get reps at 3rd in spring training. Carroll is a utility guy, not an everyday player. I think we might be stuck with Marte at 3rd until Hodges is ready. There’s nothing worthwhile and affordable available through free agency It would make sense to swap Shoppach for help at 3rd but I just don’t see a match-up I like.

    Comment by Mick — August 29, 2008 @ 7:35 am

  24. I’ll be absolutely shocked if Shoppach isn’t traded this winter. He can fill either a hole in the rotation or at 3B/cOF. Look for the Marlins to be players in a Shoppach deal. Kevin Gregg can be had and fills a need as a closer (and pretty cheap….probably will get $4.5-5M in arbitration in 2009). Tribe can also get either Hermida or Uggla (not straight up but throw in Barfield/Marte or Francisco/Gut/Choo and a few prospects such as Laffey, Miller, Lofgren, Huff, etc.) and you could get a deal done. Uggla has played 3B in the MLs and is not the best fielding 2B due to range so 3B could work out well for him. Or if it’s Hermida then go with him in RF or LF with Gut/Choo/Francisco (whoever is left from the trade) sharing time in the the other cOF spot. Improves the club dramatically and the Marlins are in need of a quality catcher and want to shed some of their arbitration eligible players (Gregg, Hermida, Uggla, etc). Uggla will make at least $5M and could make more (Miggy Cabrera got $7M in his first year of arbitration).

    With a deal like that the Tribe will be right back in contention for 2009.

    Comment by Matt — August 29, 2008 @ 10:01 am

  25. Or… they could keep Shoppach and his potential 25-30 homers and deal Garko instead. Shifting Victor over to 1b.

    Obviously Garko’s value isn’t anywhere near what you would get for Shoppach .. but it’s a move that would make you better in 2009.

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    Comment by TA — August 29, 2008 @ 1:18 pm

  26. Victor at 1B is not the right move. He’d be just an average 1B….behind the plate he’s an All-Star.

    Comment by Matt — August 29, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

  27. Trade Shoppach if you can go back to the Brewers and try to make a deal to get Gammel from them. He is a Thirdbaseman is Major league ready, he is considered to be a Ryan Braun type Prospect, how great would that be in our lineup.

    I also don’t see Victor making a switch to first unless it is only for two years. Beau Mills will be ready by then and should take over First in about a year. He is a stud prospect.

    I just think that the Gammel trade would be the best he is young and has tremendous upside. That is just me though.

    Comment by Chengy — August 30, 2008 @ 12:40 am

  28. ok, nobody mention the tribe getting any more outfielders!! they should trade: garko, peralta, dellucci, guit, sowers (you wont get but $20 and a lollypop for) laffey, marte, mujica. the indians farm system is loaded w/”prospects”. we’ll find out who’s what hopefully soon. i would just dump sowers in erie. he has no enthusiam for the game and he doesnt have mlb stuff. he should pitch for a tee ball league. we have laporta(of/1b/dh), hodges(3b), crowe(of), huff(p),miller(p)if he ever becomes more than a myth, beau mills(1b), carlos santana(c), etc. if they prove they are ready, where do we need help?? maybe starting pitching and the bullpen, but if they work out, who knows. obviously some are farther along than others. also im not sure if pronk will be the same again. hope im wrong.

    Comment by skunny — August 30, 2008 @ 12:50 am

  29. While I’d love to have Matt Gamel in the Tribe system, there’s not a single scout (or anyone else who has watched him play) who believes he will stick at 3B.

    Comment by Mick — August 30, 2008 @ 8:09 am

  30. I can’t believe they thought the post about a potential re-trade of “Shoppach for Crisp” was real(!!!!)

    Maybe they can trade Shopp to the ChiSox for Thome and put him back at 3B too.

    Comment by Emily — September 1, 2008 @ 11:47 pm

  31. I would have to throw my hat to the side of the Shoppach for Uggla trade, as the Indians desperately need a power bat to replace the huge question mark Hafner. Never been the same since getting beaned in the head… Then yeah, stick Uggla @third, swap Peralta and Cabrera, who seems to be working through his struggles, and that gives us a good fielding shortstop again. And I completely agree, drop Sowers in the lake.

    Comment by Chris — September 5, 2008 @ 10:47 am

  32. Why in the world would the Indians trade Shoppach or Martinez? Shoppach is just coming into his own but he’s not a proven commidity. Martinez, despite the injury plagued year he just had, is still a .300 avg, switch hitting catcher w/ power. The Indians can always stick him at 1b. The smart thing to do is to hold on to him. They have too many questions:
    a) Is Martinez going to be able to bounce back? If not then Shoppach is a good person to have around.
    b) Is Shoppach the real deal? If not then you can always have Martinez return to catch.
    c) Is Hafner ready to come back and be productive?
    d) Is Garko capable of putting together another strong year wire to wire at 1b?

    It’s not like they have 3 or more options at C. They should look to keep Martinez and Shoppach. Have Martinez spend time at C, 1B and DH.

    And as for the Yankees need for catching? The Yankees don’t need another C. Assuming Posada is healthy, the Yankees have Posada and Martinez to choose from and a good back up in Molina.

    Comment by Yanksfan — September 6, 2008 @ 9:14 pm

  33. And not to sound like an “a**hole know it all” but why would the Marlins trade a 30hr/28 year old/2b 3 all-star caliber years in the majors for a guy in Shoppach who has one decent year under his belt? The Indians would have to throw in a top notch A1 prospect to compensate. You guys have to keep in mind. Shoppach can be a bust next year. And do you really think the Orioles would trade Markakis for Shoppach? C’mon….stop puffing the ganja dude.

    Comment by Yanksfan — September 6, 2008 @ 9:21 pm

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