Cashman: Brett Gardner Is Our Carl Crawford

Today on ESPN.com, one of the top baseball stories details Brian Cashman’s feigned interest in signing Carl Crawford over the offseason. This revelation isn’t actually new — Jack Curry of YES Network published the same news back in December — but the ESPN story does add one interesting quote to the story. Observe:

“I actually had dinner with the agent to pretend that we were actually involved and drive the price up,” Cashman said. “The outfield wasn’t an area of need, but everybody kept writing Crawford, Crawford, Crawford, Crawford. And I was like, ‘I feel like we’ve got Carl Crawford in Brett Gardner, except he costs more than $100 million less, with less experience.’

I made the claim earlier this season that Brett Gardner is an elite player, and it was met with mixed reactions. Some agree that Gardner’s decent hitting and great defense make him great; others find the claim of great defense too steeped in his great UZR. But now, courtesy of Brian Cashman, we have a suitable point of comparison from a person in a position of baseball authority. Carl Crawford was a four-time All-Star with the Rays and a gold glove winner. No sane person would argue he wasn’t an elite player with the Rays.

It isn’t difficult to see the comparison. Crawford was a medium power player with blinding speed who flashed perhaps the best left-field glove in the league. Gardner hasn’t shown the power that Crawford does, but his walk rates are nearly five percent higher. Overall, Crawford is the better hitter, but not by much according to wOBA.

First, by year:

Second, by age:

So far, Crawford has been slightly better on a yearly basis (until this year), although when we account for the rough environment of Tropicana Field, the gap widens (139 wRC+ to 121 in favor of Crawford in 2010, 123 to 100 in 2009). And this year? Not much of a contest. Crawford has had a well-documented struggle, with an 89 wRC+, and although Gardner hasn’t hit quite as well as he did in 2010, he’s still been above average, posting a 106 wRC+.

One of the most common criticisms leveled against Gardner is that he’s “strictly a platoon player.” It’s true, Gardner has been protected from left-handed pitchers by Joe Girardi — he’s only seen 120 plate appearances against them, and he has a lackluster 83 wRC+ against them. But the only difference between Gardner and Crawford in this sense is that Crawford’s managers never benched him against lefties — typically, with the (Devil) Rays, better alternatives didn’t exist. Crawford has only topped a 100 wRC+ against lefties three times in his 10-year career, falling below 60 an equal number of times. His career mark against lefties? An eerily similar 82.

Basically, Gardner isn’t quite the hitter that Crawford is, and he possesses largely the same flaws. According to the defensive metrics, he’s one of the best fielders in the game, much like Crawford was in his heyday. But this defensive reputation is not completely based on the defensive metrics available at FanGraphs. Watch the plays he makes. Listen to the people in the industry. WAR has its flaws, but calling Gardner elite is not one of them. He’s a good hitter, a fantastic fielder, and a great baserunner. And even though his greatness doesn’t manifest itself in the way that gets play on highlight shows or sports radio, that doesn’t mean he isn’t great. And it most certainly doesn’t mean he isn’t considered great by those inside baseball.



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Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

He did walk considerably less this year. If that’s his true talent, I’d be hesitant to call him elite, but that’s just semantics. Regardless, no one in the world would rather have Crawford and his paycheck over Gardner and his.

TK
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TK
4 years 9 months ago

There is also a story here about why Cashman would say this. True or not, why would he say this?

SC2GG
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4 years 9 months ago

So when Gardner hits free agency, his agent can drum up his value when he signs with the Red Sox by comparing him to Crawford in the words of baseball genius Brian Cashman.

James Gentile
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4 years 9 months ago

It seems fairly obvious to me it’s just an “in your face” to the Nation, a pandering to his base.

Jo
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Jo
4 years 9 months ago

To provide justification (to the Yankee fans) for not signing Crawford.

Is it any coincidence that he waited until the end of the season?

If Crawford actually produced similar to his career line, I doubt we would hear this from Cashman. Instead, he would probably say that the Yankees were not willing to offer as much as the Red Sox, which would be a good excuse for Cashman.

tom
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tom
4 years 9 months ago

The only coincidence is people like to read past stuff that doesn’t fit the story….you really should re-read the 2nd sentence in this article.

It’s ZERO concidence that he waited until the end of the season…. he said a similar thing back in Dec. You could question the motivation behind REPEATING it now, but it is not the hindsight/coincidence you apparently are trying to paint a picture of.

Brian S.
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Brian S.
4 years 9 months ago

Cashman said all of this back in December. RAB had a story on it.

Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

Tom, Curry did not quote Cashman back in December. His post was littered with “maybe”s, “probably”s, and “might have”s. Simply, he was guessing.

Which is totally different then Cashman recently coming out and giving the quote to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asked.

Tom
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Tom
4 years 9 months ago

So your opinion is basically the stuff in Dec’10 was made up.. and was simply based on guesswork

If that’s what you need to do to make the story fit your conclusion of the situation fine…obviously your opinion should carry more weight.

It is probably just mere coincidence that Cashman’s quotes seem to corroborate what Curry reported last Dec…. it was nice of Cashman to back up Curry’s lies and conjecture I guess.

RobMer
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RobMer
4 years 9 months ago

You’re losing part of the history of the narrative here. When Crawford signed with the Sox, there were stories about how the Red Sox decided to swoop in and steal Crawford from the Yankees before they could direct their attentions to him. It was the spin coming out of the Boston media, and the national media, on why the Red Sox spent so much money on Crawford. It also was the Red Sox trying to claim some victory after the Yankees swooped in on Mark Teixeira in 2009, when it appeared he was going to Boston. That particular story was true, because the Red Sox wanted Teixeira. The Yankees never wanted Crawford.

It was all happening under the umbrella of the horrible winter Cashman was supposedly having, while the Red Sox were building, supposedly, a machine. Meanwhile, Cashman was methodically filling holes with less names from Garcia to Martin to Jones.

Crawford coming into 2011 was the better player, but in the Yankees world there was no way they were going to ever spend more than $20 million a year for an upgrade, but a minimal one, over Gardner, who is making 500K a year. Now as we come to the end of 2011, it wouldn’t even be an upgrade.

So Cashman brought this up as a reminder of what was written about him and the Yankees in the offseason, and he timed it to just after the Yankees won the division and the Red Sox were coming to town. The Red Sox would have done the same.

Gardner is easily the best defensive LFer in the game right now. UZR may have its issues, but it also doesn’t mean its wrong in this case. It’s not.

NJ_Andy
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NJ_Andy
4 years 9 months ago

Excellent points. Gardner is absolutely elite, and gets paid peanuts for his production. He’s a big part of why the Yankees can thrive while overpaying A-Rod, Burnett, and the like.

He’s also, IMO, one of the most exciting players to watch in baseball. Amazing defense, and quite the pain on the basepaths.

Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

In related news: when is Girardi going to move him to centerfield and stop this nonsense.

NJ_Andy
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NJ_Andy
4 years 9 months ago

When Granderson stops hitting like a Gold Glover.

Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

Swap… them… in… the… field

DavidCEisen
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DavidCEisen
4 years 9 months ago

You missed the joke there.

NJ_Andy
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NJ_Andy
4 years 9 months ago

(in reply to Telo)

You…didn’t…really…follow…my…point…did…you?

Granderson is hitting very well in Centerfield, Girardi doesn’t want to mess up his comfort. Granderson passes the eye test (most days) as a competent MLB centerfielder. He’s fast and athletic, if he keeps hitting like an MVP he’s not getting swapped.

Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

Hahaha. I did completely miss the joke, DCE.

But to your point, NJ – that logic is shaky and anecdotal at best, especially when we’re talking about a smart, grounded guy like Granderson.

“passes the eye test (most days) as a competent MLB centerfielder.” A ringing endorsement! There’s no good reason for Granderson to hit any worse if you move him, as seen in the link below, and sparing Granderson’s feelings is just a dumb reason to leave one of the best OF in baseball in left field, while it’s clear to most people that the current CF is average at best.

I don’t think they’re losing much by not swapping them right now, but it’s inevitably going to happen, probably sometime next year.

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/is_where_you_play_on_the_field_conducive_to_better_hitting_performance/

AdamM
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AdamM
4 years 9 months ago

And Gardner already catches everything in left-center

NJ_Andy
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NJ_Andy
4 years 9 months ago

I totally agree that they should be swapped, I’m just presenting reasons that Girardi may give for not making the change.

Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

Oh, for sure. You nailed why Girardi has pulled the trigger. It just doesn’t hold much logical water.

Garrett
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Garrett
4 years 9 months ago

Telo is having a rough day today on the FG comment boards.

TYML
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TYML
4 years 9 months ago

I am going to steal this joke and use it a lot. Well-played, Andy.

Pelly
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Pelly
4 years 9 months ago

I was so pumped about the Crawford signing. Hopefully he gets back to his ‘normal’ level of hitting next year or, whoa, that’s a terrible contract.

Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

Since his really amazingly awful start, he’s been pretty much normal CC, minus the steals. His UZR is bleh, but tough to say whether that’s the dimensions of Fenway, getting used to Fenway, Jacoby, actually playing poorly, etc. I didn’t think it was a great signing on Day 1, but considering that we have the money to spend and aren’t handcuffed by deals like this, I wasn’t worried. My outlook is basically the same, but with lower expectations. Hey, he’s no Lackey!

What’s funny is that the lack of steals are the only thing that concerns me… the one thing that shouldn’t really fluctuate from year to year (at least true talent shouldn’t fluctuate). is it the team philosophy? Is he worried about getting caught? Is he on base with men on infront of him too often? Not a clue. If he has another sub 20 SB year (which I would say is close to impossible) then I’ll be really worried.

Ian R.
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Ian R.
4 years 9 months ago

Could also have to do with the fact that he’s been on base much, much less this year, between the 60-point drop in OBP and the time he’s missed with injuries. Fewer chances, fewer steals.

Tom
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Tom
4 years 9 months ago

He also is not running wild against…. the Red Sox!

I think something like 25-30% of his steals over the last 3 years were against Boston (in roughly ~10% of the games). Not the cause of the whole decline, but this is also a part of it.

Between that, the OBP drop, and the missed games that’s probably a good chunk of it.

Ray
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Ray
4 years 9 months ago

“best left field glove in the league” this made me laugh…Russel Martin, fastest catcher in all of baseball

TK
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TK
4 years 9 months ago

who has the best arm at first base?

KyleL
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KyleL
4 years 9 months ago

Funny you should mention it… They actually talked about that on the Red Sox broadcast earlier this year, shockingly they said it was Gonzalez.

batpig
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batpig
4 years 9 months ago

while the Sox broadcasters are homers, Adrian legitimately is one of the best (if not THE best) arm at 1B in the league. He is a ninja at aggressively gunning down runners trying to advance on bunts, turning the 1-6-3 double play, etc.

André
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André
4 years 9 months ago

Overbay has a pretty good arm. I think he was a pitcher in college?

well
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well
4 years 9 months ago

Ike Davis is also a former college pitcher.

mcbrown
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mcbrown
4 years 9 months ago

It is not quite fair to waive away the platoon issue as you did. The issue is not whether Crawford is also bad against lefties (he is), but whether you are truly comparing apples to apples by looking at a balanced wOBA/wRC+ against a heavily platooned wOBA/wRC+.

Crawford has an even more extreme platoon split than Gardner – in terms of wRC+ over their careers, Crawford is 113/82 vs. Gardner’s 102/88. Crawford has faced lefties in 30% of his PAs, vs. 24% for Gardner. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but equalizing their PA split adds another 2 points of wRC+ to the gap in Crawford’s favor. Not a huge amount to be sure, but not nothing.

I still agree with the premise, however – Gardner is an upper-middle class man’s Crawford, paid like a homeless man’s Crawford, which is a pretty nice asset to have.

Andrew
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4 years 9 months ago

The idea that Gardner is a poor man’s Crawford, but really isn’t, made me think about other speedy, high-walk/low-power guys. Not to hijack the subject, but what about Dexter Fowler? He’s in the news more for shuttling between AAA and the bigs, instead of being an undervalued border-line star (not saying he is, just that Gardy is).

But isn’t he decently similar to Gardner, with more power and worse defense? (And for those who’ve watched him extensively, do your eyes agree with the ratings?) He’s also hitting just as well on the road, and against righties this year, albeit small sample of course.

He also can’t steal bases efficiently, for some reason, but his Bsr score actually trumps Gardner’s (4.6 to 3.4).

Jo
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Jo
4 years 9 months ago

Fowler is somewhat different. He walks and strikes out at a higher rate and has less home run power.

Interesting player, though.

BlackOps
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BlackOps
4 years 9 months ago

Uh, maybe I’m misunderstanding your point here, but Fowler has more power.

Sandy Kazmir
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Sandy Kazmir
4 years 9 months ago

Add in that Gardner has phenomenal plate discipline while being a noted hacker with no plan at the plate. Also, Crawford has no idea how to leverage his speed by bunting while Gardner is quite adept at laying one down and legging it out. I’d rather have Gardner over the next 5 years without even bringing in contracts.

Sandy Kazmir
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Sandy Kazmir
4 years 9 months ago

…discipline with Crawford being…

Sorry about that

Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

What you call “phenomenal plate discipline” others call unwillingness to swing the bat.

He’s a defensive specialist, that’s it. He gets OB at a pedestrian rate and K’s a bit too much for a slap hitter; has the 2nd worst ISO among all LF, and is prone to mental errors while on base.

But he is as good or bad a player as Crawford. I won’t argue that.

jim
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jim
4 years 9 months ago

unwillingness to swing the bat, or awareness of when to swing the bat? yeah, his swing% is only 35.4, but his contact rate is 91.4%, and his SwStr% is only 3%…. Pretty sure that qualifies as “phenomenal plate discipline”

Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

Well, that is one way to see it. However, I still view the guy as being one of the most defensive batters in the league, and those three stats you offered support that opinion well.

Tanned Tom
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Tanned Tom
4 years 9 months ago

His career OBP is pedestrian? It’s .354, Crawford’s is .334, right about the league average.

Harry
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Harry
4 years 9 months ago

Cashman’s comments made me giggle. Easy to proclaim yourself a genius AFTER Crawford underperforms and the redsox take a nose dive.

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
4 years 9 months ago

Isn’t that the point of story?

To quote Chris carter, “I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but *beep* *beep*”

Careful with that rotator cuff Cashman.

phoenix2042
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phoenix2042
4 years 9 months ago

unfortunately for your dream world, he said all this already in december… after crawford signed… before he played a game as a red sox player… before the season even began. and that is acknowledged in the first paragraph. so, sorry, but that is not the point of the story. better luck reading next time.

Church of the Perpetually Outraged
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Church of the Perpetually Outraged
4 years 9 months ago
Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

You do know what quotes are used for, right? regarding Crawford, that Curry piece is pure opinion, and it’s irresponsible of Moore to indicate otherwise.

Evan3457
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Evan3457
4 years 9 months ago

The Curry piece said that Cashman said it, without quoting him. That’s a statement of fact, not opinion, and not questioned by any other source, and now confirmed again by Cashman himself. Spin it however you want, but Cashman said it first last December.

Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

No, he didn’t.

Besides a reference to Crawford as a “huge acquisition”, the only other paraphrasing Curry did regarding Crawford was: “Cashman had dinner with Crawford’s agents” and “Cashman conceded that the Yankees weren’t interested in signing him”, and that last sentence is as meaningful as Epstein saying he wasn’t interested in Lee after he had already signed with Philly.

This is what Curry wrote about Cashman’s feigning interest with Crawford: “Cashman had dinner with Crawford’s agents, which was a bluff and was probably designed to get the Red Sox to inflate their offer to the leftfielder“. Maybe it’s me, but I’d say that Cashman probably had nothing to do with that particular opinion. Probably.

That Cashman is now reciting Curry is funny, that’s all.

Brian S.
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Brian S.
4 years 9 months ago

Again, he already said this back in December. The media just came out with this story to try to add something to the manufactured rivalry.

RobMer
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RobMer
4 years 9 months ago

That’s correct. The Yankees did not have any interest in Crawford. Why would they? He certainly is a fine player, or was through 2010, but he just didn’t fill any need. As much money as the Yankees have, they’re not going to direct $20 million a year for a position that was being filled quite nicely by a guy making 500K.

Even in the Yankees (and Red Sox’s) world, they need some low-cost players mixed in so they can go after high-cost players. The Yankees focus was not on Crawford.

This was a non-story since it was known last December, at least it was in NY. It’s a story now because the Yankees just won the division and the two teams are playing each other.

joe
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joe
4 years 9 months ago

Gardner is superior to Crawford’s peak defense in his “heyday”. One only needs to look at Crawford splits at and away from the Trop.

# of seasons of a UZR/150 > 11.0 away from the Trop? ONE (out of 9)

# of seasons of a UZR/150 >20 at the Trop? SEVEN (out of 9)
(and only 1 year below 14!)

Also the two throwing arms aren’t even close in terms of both accuracy and strength. Crawford’s not getting the benefit of a career +3.3 armR at the Trop and his arm is playing more like you would think of when you see him throw (he’s -1.4 away from the Trop)

I’m still stunned that noone considered how much of Crawford’s defensive value came from playing at the Trop when folks evaluated the contract…. he is a ~7.5 UZR/150 defender away from the Trop (over a 8 year period); yet people were evaluating the contract viewing him as +15 defender (thanks to his 22.6 UZR /150 at the Trop)

I think if you even throw away the contracts and just consider the players, Gardner’s better at this point (espeically with Crawford no longer playing 81 games at the Trop)

Telo
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Telo
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with your overall point, but one small thing – some of the Home/Raod split is natural, and not a function of ballpark (ie players are just better at home). But point definitely made, the Trop inflated his UZR, but just not to the degree that you might lead someone to believe from your post.

joe
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joe
4 years 9 months ago

Some but not 15 runs a year… time will tell when we have multiple years at Fenway, but I’m pretty confident it will be a whole lot less than a 15 run gain and he will be more like the 7.5 UZR/150 defender he’s been away from the Trop

keep in mind ~5 of the 15 runs gained at home is from just the arm component… that’s not coming from “comfort” level.

I’d think more of the gain is a park effect than a comfort level effect (but that is just conjecture/speculation on my end)…. perhaps after ~3 years at Fenway we can see what his comfort level gain is.

RC
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RC
4 years 9 months ago

“Some but not 15 runs a year… ”

Why not? THere are plenty of players with larger hitting splits than that.

Jo
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Jo
4 years 9 months ago

Wouldn’t those splits be reflective on the majority of players? The guy gets to play at the same park for the majority of the season, while he plays no more than 6-9 games in the same opposing park in the season.

joe
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joe
4 years 9 months ago

No.

If you are going to suggest this is somehow a *majority* of players. I’d be real curious to see the data…. we are talking 15 runs a year (over a 9 year period) not a couple of runs.

Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

Yes

Of course a defender would defend better at home, where he’s used to his home park’s sight lines, shadows, outfield wall, deflections off those walls, etc., etc.

joe
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joe
4 years 9 months ago

Please provide a list of players that are 15 runs better at home (UZR/150) over a 9 year period. Sure players can be better at home… but not to the extent of Crawford’s #’s. I don’t even need a majority… how about 15 outfielders with a 15 run home/road average career split over say at least 6 years.

From you comments, it is clear you have an axe to grind, but show some data that a *majority* of players have splits consistent (in magnitude) to Crawford over a significant time period.

Of course a defender MIGHT be better at home… but to the magnitude of Crawford’s splits? And a majority of players see this magnitude of a split? Look at the armR splits…. he’s throwing better because of the sight lines and comfort level? (or perhaps it’s related to playing on turf and is more a park effect and not a true skill measurement?)

The questions was would CRAWFORDS’s splits (an avg of 15 runs on UZR/150) is reflective of a majority of players. The answer is still no (some of the 15 might be but not 15 runs worth)

Sultan of Schwwingg
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Sultan of Schwwingg
4 years 9 months ago

Dude, you should relax. I wasn’t even addressing your theory. I was simply agreeing with Jo (and disagreeing with you) that players will of course defend better in their home park.

I don’t need no steenking numbers, it’s common sense.

Colin
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Colin
4 years 9 months ago
ettin
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ettin
4 years 9 months ago

Two words: Peter Bourjos

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
4 years 9 months ago

How Fenway affects Crawfords defensive value was a major point of discussion at the time of Crawfords signing. With so much of his WAR coming from defense, it’s still a major point.

Throw in the affect it might have on baserunning and the Red Sox philosophy on base stealing and we could be looking at 1-2 WAR a season from his value which is muy importante.

GMH
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GMH
4 years 9 months ago

And that’s precisely why I didn’t like Boston signing Crawford – and I wasn’t predicting that Crawford would forget how to hit. Even assuming that Crawford would perform consistent with his recent years at Tampa, his skill set just was not a good fit for a person playing half of his games at leftfield in Fenway. The ballpark and Francona’s conservative style of managing neutralizes so much of Crawford’s value.

The Cashman story is a non-story. I don’t think anyone believed the Yankees were interested in Crawford. They had nowhere to play him. They weren’t about to jettison the very affordable Curtis Granderson a year after the Yankees had given up so much to acquire him, and they certainly weren’t going to deal Gardner and his near league minimum salary. The story doesn’t provide any proof that Boston increased their offer after Cashman’s dinner with Crawford. So it’s basically the New York press flipping the bird to Boston’s press.

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DavidB
4 years 9 months ago

Ellsbury has lead the league in steals in both seasons he was healthy prior to this one. Francona is not afraid to have his players run. The Sox just have had few sb threats outside of Ellsbury and now CC in Tito’s tenure. CC hasn’t been attempting steals because his OBP has been shit and he’s been recovering from a hamstring strain. If he hits and he’s healthy he’s going to steal more bases.

GMH
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GMH
4 years 9 months ago

“Ellsbury has lead the league in steals in both seasons he was healthy prior to this one.”

Ellsbury didn’t have problems with his legs last year. And he’s been healthy this year. But he isn’t nearly as aggressive a baserunner as he has been in the past. When you have Pedroia, Adrian Gonzalez, and David Ortiz hitting like they have all year in the middle of the order, you aren’t going to take the risk of running into an out.

Boston is 9th in the AL in steals, and they have Ellsbury, Crawford, and Pedroia (who isn’t fast but has developed into one of the league’s best base-stealers). I think I’m on solid ground to assert that Francona is a conservative manager.

DavidB
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DavidB
4 years 9 months ago

Ellsbury only played 18 games last year. His total of 7 steals for 2010 has nothing to do with managerial philosophy.

As for stealing less this year besting your career high in HRs by 20 and counting will certainly take away SB opportunities. Also he’s been really bad at picking his spots and getting a good jump (I don’t think this will continue long term) so I’m not sure I want him to attempt more steals right now.

Everybody thinks Francona is conservative because he never bunts, but he will steal if he has the right players and they’re healthy (not just healthy enough to play, but running at 100%). They only have 3 players who are any good at all at base stealing. Marco Scutaro is 4th on the team in steals and he has 44 steals over the last 10 years.

If CC is hitting 6th or 7th in a stacked lineup in the future and gets on base closer to his career rate, he’ll attempt more steals than this year.

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
4 years 9 months ago

Makes me wonder how he fields in other domes.

bonestock94
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bonestock94
4 years 9 months ago

Even as a biased Yankee fan I hesitate to refer to Crawford’s heyday in the past tense.

hk
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hk
4 years 9 months ago

This is a non-story in the sense that the Sox and Yankees probably try to do this to one another whenever possible (i.e. the Sox interest in Mariano Rivera).

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jpg
4 years 9 months ago

He’s been better this year, but to call Gardner a “great” basereunner is laughable. He’s a lot closer to terrible than good, much less great. Being really fast doesn’t automatically make you an effective baserunner. The guy has the baseball IQ of goldfish.

Hank
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Hank
4 years 9 months ago

as evidenced by his BSR of 3.2, 4.9. and 3.4 the last 3 years.

positive BSR means positively bad and below average right?

joeyp
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joeyp
4 years 9 months ago

jpg is a red sox fan without a clue, such as when he claimed Lackey was a great signing giving Boston 3 aces

we all know how that turned out

pay him no mind

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4 years 9 months ago

Hank – He’s fast so sure his BSR numbers are going to be good. I watch him everyday. His base running gaffes have provided days worth of fodder for talk radio hosts on the FAN and in the local papers the last few years. I’m a Mets fan and Angel Pagan in 2010 might have had the worst season of base running be I’ve ever seen and his BSR was 4.7. His speed masks baseball instincts that any honest Yankees fan will tell you aren’t any good

joeyp
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joeyp
4 years 9 months ago

oh now your a met fan, boy you change fast dont you

Pagan is dumb, hell be non tendered to prove it too

Sir BJay
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Sir BJay
4 years 9 months ago

I’ve always liked/hated Gardner, he’s seem to always been underrated, and can be a real force for the Yankees. The only thing that separates him from being unanimously elite is for him to be slightly less streaky.

Always wanted the Jays to trade for him.

Ari Collins
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4 years 9 months ago

Of course, Gardner is actually New York’s Ellsbury.

DavidB
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DavidB
4 years 9 months ago

Gardner’s career high of 7 HRs says hello

Clayton Kershaw
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Clayton Kershaw
4 years 9 months ago

Am I gonna win the Cy Young this year?

Joey B
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4 years 9 months ago

Seems like a non-story. No one in their right mind would give any credence to the NYY needing a LF. In order to effectuate a rumor, it must be plausible. Before he signed Damon, Cashman said he was happy with Bubba Trammell in CF. It was an obvious fabrication. Similiar to him claiming that they decided to pursue Tex at the last minute, like they didn’t realize they had no 1B on the roster.

Tanned Tom
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Tanned Tom
4 years 9 months ago

Actually that’s true about not going after Teixeira. They had already made the trade for Swisher and had planned to use him at 1B. One of the best trades of the last 10 years, getting 20 HRs, a high OBP, and pretty decent defense for….what? Wilson Betemit and 2 AA pitchers, one of whom is back with the NYY AA team.

Red Sox Talk
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4 years 9 months ago

Even as a Sox fan, I have to agree with this article completely… except the use of the word “great” to describe Gardner. There isn’t enough data quite yet, but it looks like his career curve is gonna be slightly below Crawford’s and I wouldn’t even call HIM a “great” player, even before this year.

Both are what they are, decent hitters with speed who play(ed) excellent defense. That makes them above average, or even All-Star worthy players, but not *great* in my book.

Mark
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Mark
4 years 9 months ago

Gardi is only getting better! His presence on the base paths gets his teammates more fastballs…. Not to mention more RBI’s. Yankees front office is 2 steps ahead of everyone!

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