Cliff Lee and Matt Cain Pitch Into History

Last night, Cliff Lee and Matt Cain put on a pitching duel for the ages. Cain threw shutout nine innings on just 91 pitches before Bruce Bochy pinch-hit for him, while Lee managed to go 10 scoreless innings and still only throw 102 pitches on the night. They combined to allow just 10 baserunners in 19 innings pitched, and after Brett Pill‘s leadoff double in the fifth, they put down 24 consecutive batters between them.

You just don’t get two dominating performances in the same game all that often. In fact, you could make a case that this was the best pair of performances in a single game in the last 10 years.

The last time two pitchers faced off and both threw nine inning shutouts was last May, when Jason Vargas and Zach Britton squared off in Baltimore. Both were extremely effective and efficient, but neither of them pitched into the 10th inning, and they only combined for nine strikeouts on the night – plus, even with the offensive struggles SF and PHI have had this year, neither of them can match the 2011 Mariners for futility at the plate, so Britton’s performance is slightly diminished due to the quality of his opponent.

The Phillies were actually involved in another classic pitching duel two years ago, as Roy Halladay and Travis Wood matched zeroes for nine innings before giving way to the bullpens. In fact, Wood was one base hit and a little run support away from a perfect game, so Halladay’s 9 IP/0 R/1 BB/9 K performance was actually the second best outing of the evening. If either Wood or Halladay had pitched into the 10th, this would likely rate ahead of last night’s duel, but given that Lee got three more outs and threw 15 fewer pitches, I have to give the nod – just barely – to the Cain/Lee duel.

Before 2010, MLB hadn’t seen a game where both starters went 9 IP with 0 R allowed since September of 2003, when the Tigers and Blue Jays locked up in a battle between Nate Cornejo and, once again, Roy Halladay. Halladay was awesome, throwing 10 scoreless innings on just 99 pitches and getting 21 ground ball outs in the process. Cornejo was somewhat less awesome, as he gave up five hits and walked a couple of batters while racking up two strikeouts. While any nine inning shutout is impressive in its own way, Cornejo’s doesn’t stack up to what either Cain or Lee did last night.

To find a pair of performances on par with last night’s match-up, we probably have to go back to August 28, 1999, when Kevin Millwood matched up with Darren Oliver. Oliver was excellent, throwing nine scoreless innings, allowing just six baserunners and striking out six batters in the prcoess, but Millwood was even better – 10 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 9 K. More impressively, he did this against a line-up that featured Mark McGwire, Ray Lankford, the good version of Fernando Tatis, J.D. Drew, and Edgar Renteria.

What Cain and Lee did last night was special. You don’t see that kind of pitcher’s duel very often, and there showdown was one of the best in recent history. Hats off to both of them.



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nik
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nik
4 years 4 months ago

Great duel, and if this was the AL, both pitchers would probably be able to go a few more innings.

Big Daddy V
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Big Daddy V
4 years 4 months ago

Unless they had to use more pitches because they were trying to get out the DH, rather than each other.

antonio bananas
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antonio bananas
4 years 4 months ago

pft, if this were the AL East they would have only lasted 3 innings because the quality of the lineups there are so much better than anywhere else in the universe or in history.

Tyler
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4 years 4 months ago

Is there anywhere that tracks average pitches per inning? I’d like to see that.

hscer
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4 years 4 months ago

Yeah, but who won?

nik
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nik
4 years 4 months ago

dunno.. if only there was some way to get that information…

hscer
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4 years 4 months ago

Clay Hensley. What a performance.

shaneregan
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shaneregan
4 years 4 months ago

All of us. We all won.

TKDC
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TKDC
4 years 4 months ago

The 1999 Braves (Darren Oliver’s opponent) were a pretty good offensive team, too. I seem to remember some guy named Larry winning the MVP that year.

Graham
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Graham
4 years 4 months ago

Cain’s numbers over his last two starts:
18 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 15 K, 0 R. (The three hits were all singles.)

jorgath
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jorgath
4 years 4 months ago

Dear sweet gods of baseball! How many cows has he been sacrificing?

matt w
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matt w
4 years 4 months ago

One of them was the cow that lets you start against the Pirates.

Kellin
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Kellin
4 years 4 months ago

That cow that was once the most difficult and sought after has become much more common due to the efforts of the Mariners, A’s and Astros…

Phantom Stranger
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Phantom Stranger
4 years 4 months ago

This was a great game to watch, though of course MLB Extra Innings watchers got shafted by missing the first several innings because it was on the same channel as the Yankees game that ran late and the person running it forgot to switch over until halfway through the game.

What made it more impressive was the brutal defense behind Lee. Manuel was playing a lot of questionable defenders like Lance Nix at first. Nix almost cost the game by himself on multiple occasions.

nathan but a g thang
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nathan but a g thang
4 years 4 months ago

Last I checked, the Giants weren’t struggling offensively.

Mhad
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Mhad
4 years 4 months ago

Offensive ineptitude of 2011 Giants caliber is a hard reputation to shake.

monkey business
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monkey business
4 years 4 months ago

Cliff Lee + clutch = Jack Morris

Graham
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Graham
4 years 4 months ago

Shouldn’t that read Jack Morris + great = Cliff Lee?

Tomrigid
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Tomrigid
4 years 4 months ago

Cliff Lee + irony = Bert Blyleven

monkey business
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monkey business
4 years 4 months ago

You can solve that system

clutch = – great

Looks about right.

Phrozen
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Phrozen
4 years 4 months ago

Cliff Lee + Grady Sizemore + Brandon Phillips = Bartolo Colon

Johnny Come Lately
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Johnny Come Lately
4 years 4 months ago

The weights of Sizemore, Phillips, and Lee = Colon as well

Alex Remington
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4 years 4 months ago

It wasn’t better than Frank Viola versus Ron Darling!

Boola boola, Eli Yale.

short
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short
4 years 4 months ago

So I’m sitting in the third deck at this game, and as the lineups are announced I realize how decimated the Phillies are and how…Giantsy the Giants are. I say to the guy next to me “Man with Cliff Lee and Matt Cain this thing could end up 1-0 in 11.” So I guess to say that the score was unpredictable would be to go a bit too far.

What was notable about watching this game was just how amazingly fast this it was. This was a duel of guys who pitch to more contact than most top-flight pitchers do. So while watching it what stood out was not the awesome pitching, but the number of innings that had gone by while you were getting a beer. If the game had ended in the bottom of the ninth, it would have taken less time than my drive to the game. It wasn’t until the pitchers were in the 10th that you looked at their pitch counts and marvelled at how proficient they had been. This was a treat.

Jason
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Jason
4 years 4 months ago

…proficient at being efficient…

joser
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joser
4 years 4 months ago

Since you’re talking about Bay Area traffic every game would take less time than your drive to the game

Derek in Little Rock
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Derek in Little Rock
4 years 4 months ago

By “good version” of Fernando Tatis, you mean “steroid enhanced”.

Franco
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Franco
4 years 4 months ago

He got washed up after that and came back to being good with the Mets for a year or so in the post steroid era.

hildebeast21
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hildebeast21
4 years 4 months ago

there showdown was one of the best in recent history.
there = their

Will
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Will
4 years 4 months ago

Odd post. Great night of pitching, but I don’t really think they’ve “pitched into history” given that no one instantly would remember similar performances, as highlighted by some of the random names on the list.

No one alive was watching that game and thinking, “man, this reminds me of Vargas v Britton!”

Chris R
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Chris R
4 years 4 months ago

I think he is referring to the games pitched by non-HOFers. Although I was at the aforementioned Halladay-Wood game, and I will not forget Wood’s performance.

Franco
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Franco
4 years 4 months ago

I honestly don’t even remember a pitcher by the name of Travis Wood, let alone the game he pitched.

baycommuter
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baycommuter
4 years 4 months ago

A lot of people in San Francisco remember the Spahn-Marichal game when they both pitched shutouts into the 15th.

Brent
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Brent
4 years 4 months ago

16th. Marichal went all 16, and Spahn gave up a home run to Wille Mays with one out in the bottom of the 16th, so technically he went 15.1 innings. CG for both of them. July 2nd, 1963. No pitch counts back then, but each club had 55+ plate appearances, so you have to figure each pitcher threw over 200 pitches. You’ll never see that again. Oh, yeah. Spahn was 42.

Malcolm
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Malcolm
4 years 4 months ago

Hey Dave
What about top duels all time? Gibson and Spahn for 18 innings, 1-0?

Verklemptomaniac
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Verklemptomaniac
4 years 4 months ago

Harvey Haddix/Lew Burdette has to be up there.

gonfalon
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gonfalon
4 years 4 months ago

yes indeed:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/05261959.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MLN/MLN195905260.shtml

Lew Burdette scattered 12 singles over 13 IP (with 0 BB and 2 K), while Harvey Haddix was perfect thru 12, with 8 K.

in the bottom of the 13th, Haddix lost the perfect game when Felix Mantilla reached base via Don Hoak’s error, and the next batter bunted him to 2nd. after intentionally walking Hank Aaron for runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out, Haddix lost the game on the first hit he allowed, a double to Joe Adcock.

Incredibly, Adcock was out after overrunning(?) second base, and in the meantime Mantilla scored the only run of the game.

monkey business
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monkey business
4 years 4 months ago

That was 16 innings. Walter Johnson did pitch an 18 inning complete game shutout. Williams also recorded an 18 inning complete game, but gave up one more run.

ettin
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ettin
4 years 4 months ago

On May 10, 2009, Joe Saunders and Zack Greinke had a fantastic pitcher’s duel as well but Greinke only lasted 8 innings, but it was a real gem to watch.

tyke
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tyke
4 years 4 months ago

game scores? also, what would be some of the best pitching duels ever, by combined game scores?

tyke
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tyke
4 years 4 months ago

cain’s was 86 last night, lee’s was 85. against the pirates on 4/13, cain’s was 96 (!), by far the best pitching performance this year

DrBGiantsfan
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4 years 4 months ago

Too bad it wasn’t a complete game for either pitcher. I’m pretty sure Matt Cain is very close to a record for least number of baserunners in consecutive 9 inning starts. It would be easier to confirm if it was consecutive CG’s.

nik
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nik
4 years 4 months ago

You realize someone once threw 2 consecutive no-hitters, right

Jay Gloab
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Jay Gloab
4 years 4 months ago

Vander Meer walked a combined 11 batters in those two games.

DrBGiantsfan
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4 years 4 months ago

Yes I do! Look it up. Van Der Meer walked 3 in the first one and 8 in the second one for a total of 11 baserunners.

Phrozen
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Phrozen
4 years 4 months ago

Near as I can tell, the record for fewest baserunners in two consecutive 9+IP games is held by Billy Pierce, Howard Ehmke and Walter Johnson, with three.

DrBGiantsfan
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4 years 4 months ago

Thank you! Appreciate the info. I thought it might be a record or at least very close to it.

jrogers
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jrogers
4 years 4 months ago

How many of those three involved a perfect game?

Nick
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Nick
4 years 4 months ago

Off topic a bit, but there was actually a historical pitching performance last night: Bartolo Colon through 38 consecutive pitches for strikes. I’ve never heard of anything like this at any level of baseball, and was wondering if anyone could recall anything like this ever happening before.
Jonny Gomes had a great quote after the game, “You can’t even get 38 straight strikes out of a pitching machine.”

Jason
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Jason
4 years 4 months ago

Wow, that is incredible! So how many batters in a row hitting nothing but 0-0, 0-1 and 0-2?

Jon L.
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4 years 4 months ago

Eleven!

Mark
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Mark
4 years 4 months ago

Halladay’s had a couple of memorable 10 IP complete games. Both against Detroit.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR200309060.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR200704130.shtml

DavidJ
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DavidJ
4 years 4 months ago

Why did Manuel let his pitcher bat in the ninth inning of a tie game? I don’t get it, and I’m surprised not to see more discussion about it.

Larry Yocum
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Larry Yocum
4 years 4 months ago

I was upset that Bochy pulled Cain.

Both were at around 90 pitches. Both probably could have gone 12 last night with their pitch counts and the pace of this game. Not only was their count low, but I believe the entire 11 inning game was played in under 3 hours, so they were not taxed at all.

Why would you pull a guy completely dominating when you have no idea how long the game is going to last? Especially at such a low pitch count. It made a little bit more sense for the home team to sell out for that 1 run, but I can totally understand leaving Lee in there and the Giants probably should have done the same with Cain.

hk
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hk
4 years 4 months ago

Because his pitcher had thrown 80 or so pitches and he is a better hitter than most of the players on the Phillies bench.

DavidJ
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DavidJ
4 years 4 months ago

The Phillies had Jim Thome on their bench. That’s the exact kind of situation that you have Jim Thome on your bench for.

schlomsd
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schlomsd
4 years 4 months ago

Is there anywhere that tracks advanced pitching stats (FIP, xFIP, etc) per start? I’m wondering what those numbers would be for Cain as he didn’t have many strikeouts (13.8 SO%), his BABIP was low (.071) and he gave up 16 flyball with no homeruns. I’m guessing that last night raised his FIP and xFIP.

DrBGiantsfan
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4 years 4 months ago

He’s gonna regress any game now!

y
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y
4 years 4 months ago

Because so many people are saying that. Other than Giants fans with a persecution complex.

CJ
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CJ
4 years 4 months ago

My goodness. He’s quoting statistics from THIS start. The one where Cain threw a shutout. Do you genuinely think he’s not going to regress?

Based on your comment, you don’t think it’s likely. So, put your money where your mouth is. I will bet you any amount of money you like that Cain does not throw shutouts for 50% of his remaining starts (if a shutout is his true talent, you can imagine sometimes he throws worse and sometimes he throws better).

Deal?

DrBGiantsfan
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4 years 4 months ago

Do you really think I didn’t know he was talking about this one start? The point is, there have been multiple articles on this site over the past 2 years practically obssessing over Matt Cain’s xFIP and whether it means he is going to regress or not and he just keeps getting better and better. Who the hell gives a damn about what anybody’s xFIP for one game is anyway?! Why would you even need to look at an xFIP to know that a pitcher is not going to put up an ERA of 0.00 for the year?

I was just pointing out the absurdity of the comment and linking it to the absurdity of continuing to use xFIP as a reason for saying Matt Cain is going to regress.

Obviously some people here are too sensitive about the whole thing to see the humor in it.

bstar
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bstar
4 years 4 months ago

That says all you need to know about FIP and xFIP.

Scott
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Scott
4 years 4 months ago

Best game I ever saw: Dave Stewart 11 inning CG vs. 10 IP from Eric Hanson. Game time was 2:38.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK199008010.shtml

Manque69
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Manque69
4 years 4 months ago

The best game I ever saw: Kerry Wood’s 20K game. This was actually my first game ever at Wrigley. Shane Reynolds was no slouch in this game either. He went the distance with 10 Ks and 1 earned run.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199805060.shtml

Micah
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Micah
4 years 4 months ago

What about Roy Halladay’s perfect game? Josh Johnson only gave up a run on a 3 base error by the center fielder. Otherwise they were both almost perfect that game.

Aaron (UK)
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Aaron (UK)
4 years 4 months ago

There’s a great blog on the pinch-hit decision Manuel made in the 11th here – he should have gone with Polanco not Thome to pinch-hit for Lee.

http://tradingbases.squarespace.com/blog/2012/4/20/game-theory-lee-vs-cain-for-fans-a-san-francisco-treat.html

Ken
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Ken
4 years 4 months ago

Great article.

antonio bananas
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antonio bananas
4 years 4 months ago

No mention of smoltz vs Morris? I know Jack “pitch to the score” Morris is insanely overrated but come on. Unless I’m missing something here.

gonfalon
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gonfalon
4 years 4 months ago

agreed… a 10-inning, 1-0 shutout in game 7 of the World Series is worth noting, even if Smoltz “only” went 7 1/3 IP.

David K
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David K
4 years 4 months ago

See thsi articel for some fairly recent great pitching matchups:

http://www.statisticalmeanderings.com/p/pitching-duels.html

When I read this article, I immediately thought of game #3 on this list, since i was in attendance. If I recall, Schilling didn’t even get to a 3-ball count on a single hitter, and Brown got to a 3-ball count on only two hitters. A total of 5 baserunners allowed via hit or walk between the two pitchers for the entire game was pretty remarkable. I am pretty sure the game ended in under 2 hours.

David K
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David K
4 years 4 months ago

sorry for my bad typing. No edit feature on here?

David K
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David K
4 years 4 months ago

Just found the boxscore:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200104100.shtml

game time: 1:55

David K
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David K
4 years 4 months ago

I looked closer at that boxscore link and they actually show what the count was on each hitter for each AB, and my memory was slightly faulty: Brown only had a 3-ball count on ONE hitter!

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