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		<title>By: Logan</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-108934</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bump.

Well, Dave, 31 total wins from this year&#039;s Cy Young winners. Looks like the statistical shift might be closer than you thought.

Now let&#039;s see how Mauer and Pujols do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bump.</p>
<p>Well, Dave, 31 total wins from this year&#8217;s Cy Young winners. Looks like the statistical shift might be closer than you thought.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s see how Mauer and Pujols do.</p>
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		<title>By: whatlyahave</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-102403</link>
		<dc:creator>whatlyahave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Mike Scoscia in the manager discussion?  All of the injuries.  The lack of a bullpen.  Sure, he had some quality players to fill in.  Lackey, Guerrero, Hunter missed huge chunks of the year.  They were carried by guys who came up through the system.  Aybar, Figgens, Morales, Weaver.  I appreciate what Washington, Wakamatsu and Gardenhire did, but no manager has as firm a stamp on a franchise than Scoscia (except maybe Tom Kelly, via Gardenhire).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Mike Scoscia in the manager discussion?  All of the injuries.  The lack of a bullpen.  Sure, he had some quality players to fill in.  Lackey, Guerrero, Hunter missed huge chunks of the year.  They were carried by guys who came up through the system.  Aybar, Figgens, Morales, Weaver.  I appreciate what Washington, Wakamatsu and Gardenhire did, but no manager has as firm a stamp on a franchise than Scoscia (except maybe Tom Kelly, via Gardenhire).</p>
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		<title>By: mannysfirsttrimester</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101201</link>
		<dc:creator>mannysfirsttrimester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101086</link>
		<dc:creator>Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Wakamatsu really get the Mariners to 85 wins, or was it Ichiro/Gutierrez/Hernandez/Branyon/etc?

I&#039;d prefer not to pick the award at all, since I don&#039;t think anyone here can really tell how much each manager really did, but if you&#039;re going to pick it, at least don&#039;t gush over one manager for one set of criteria and basically dismiss another who exceeds that criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Wakamatsu really get the Mariners to 85 wins, or was it Ichiro/Gutierrez/Hernandez/Branyon/etc?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer not to pick the award at all, since I don&#8217;t think anyone here can really tell how much each manager really did, but if you&#8217;re going to pick it, at least don&#8217;t gush over one manager for one set of criteria and basically dismiss another who exceeds that criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Butters</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101072</link>
		<dc:creator>Butters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Match my picks exactly except for best AL Rookie, I had Jeff Niemann of Tampa Bay.

Would be curious to see what the remainder of your best player &quot;ballot&quot; would look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Match my picks exactly except for best AL Rookie, I had Jeff Niemann of Tampa Bay.</p>
<p>Would be curious to see what the remainder of your best player &#8220;ballot&#8221; would look like.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101060</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B, sometimes it is just shorthand just to give the k/bb.  A low walk rate is also pretty important in run prevention.  But in fairness to the original poster, that wasn&#039;t what he used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B, sometimes it is just shorthand just to give the k/bb.  A low walk rate is also pretty important in run prevention.  But in fairness to the original poster, that wasn&#8217;t what he used.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101058</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I believe it, I&#039;d just like to see people post the total K&#039;s/BB&#039;s/IP&#039;s as their evidence instead of something meaningless like K/BB.  It&#039;s an important point to keep us on track as to who&#039;s really performing better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I believe it, I&#8217;d just like to see people post the total K&#8217;s/BB&#8217;s/IP&#8217;s as their evidence instead of something meaningless like K/BB.  It&#8217;s an important point to keep us on track as to who&#8217;s really performing better.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101056</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just because he’s 28 doesn’t make his year any less great.&quot;

See, I disagree with this.  I like the idea of giving the award based on performance rather than projections, but I look at it as...well, there are a lot of 27,28,29 year olds out there that had better years than he did.  The only difference between Jones and them is they aren&#039;t rookies.  How many other 22 year olds performed like McCutchen?  I think that&#039;s another point that&#039;s strongly in McCutchen&#039;s favor - most kids his age are in college, or in the minors.  Indirectly of course that factors projected production in, but the thought process that goes into it is strictly based on his actual production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because he’s 28 doesn’t make his year any less great.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, I disagree with this.  I like the idea of giving the award based on performance rather than projections, but I look at it as&#8230;well, there are a lot of 27,28,29 year olds out there that had better years than he did.  The only difference between Jones and them is they aren&#8217;t rookies.  How many other 22 year olds performed like McCutchen?  I think that&#8217;s another point that&#8217;s strongly in McCutchen&#8217;s favor &#8211; most kids his age are in college, or in the minors.  Indirectly of course that factors projected production in, but the thought process that goes into it is strictly based on his actual production.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101054</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B, you are correct.  Except for the fact it was 242 to 51, not 242 to 41.  And the first response pointed out Schilling both had more Ks and fewer walks.  And his ratio was double Greinke&#039;s.  I don&#039;t think anyone in the thread thinks absolute ratio is the determinant of who had the better season.

Santana, Martinez, Johnson and Schilling all had seasons this decade of higher k rates and lower walk rates than Greinke&#039;s this year. Just on first look.  halladay had fewer Ks but also fewer walks and a higher ratio, and his k rate wasn&#039;t chopped liver.  His higher FIP is much more due to home runs than fact he had a slightly lower K rate.  Greinke&#039;s home runs per flyball was 4.5%.  Normalize that and his FIP comes back to earth somewhat.  Indeed, his tRA* is slightly below Lincecum and Carpenter.

Of course none of this is particulalry important and again not to take away anything from Greinke, who should be AL Cy Young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B, you are correct.  Except for the fact it was 242 to 51, not 242 to 41.  And the first response pointed out Schilling both had more Ks and fewer walks.  And his ratio was double Greinke&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t think anyone in the thread thinks absolute ratio is the determinant of who had the better season.</p>
<p>Santana, Martinez, Johnson and Schilling all had seasons this decade of higher k rates and lower walk rates than Greinke&#8217;s this year. Just on first look.  halladay had fewer Ks but also fewer walks and a higher ratio, and his k rate wasn&#8217;t chopped liver.  His higher FIP is much more due to home runs than fact he had a slightly lower K rate.  Greinke&#8217;s home runs per flyball was 4.5%.  Normalize that and his FIP comes back to earth somewhat.  Indeed, his tRA* is slightly below Lincecum and Carpenter.</p>
<p>Of course none of this is particulalry important and again not to take away anything from Greinke, who should be AL Cy Young.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-awards/#comment-101052</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel weird as a fan right now when it comes to Tim.  Obviously I love seeing Giants players get the recognition they deserve, but it&#039;s bad for the team I root for if Tim wins the award.  Going into Super-Two status with not one, but TWO Cy Youngs under his belt?  Ugh I can&#039;t even imagine being on the Giants side of that argument/negotiation.  So...should I feel bad hoping he doesn&#039;t get it to save my team money?

The correct answer is that Sabean is an idiot and would waste whatever money we saved, so obviously I hope Tim wins it, but hypothetically if we had a good GM that could use that money well...would it be ok for me to feel that way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel weird as a fan right now when it comes to Tim.  Obviously I love seeing Giants players get the recognition they deserve, but it&#8217;s bad for the team I root for if Tim wins the award.  Going into Super-Two status with not one, but TWO Cy Youngs under his belt?  Ugh I can&#8217;t even imagine being on the Giants side of that argument/negotiation.  So&#8230;should I feel bad hoping he doesn&#8217;t get it to save my team money?</p>
<p>The correct answer is that Sabean is an idiot and would waste whatever money we saved, so obviously I hope Tim wins it, but hypothetically if we had a good GM that could use that money well&#8230;would it be ok for me to feel that way?</p>
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