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	<title>Comments on: 2009 MLB Trade Value: #30-#26</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26/#comment-89423</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kershaw should be ahead of Billingsley. Kershaw is more talented, younger and had a better ERA this year. 

As for Pablo Sandoval, he doesn&#039;t hold much trade value because 

1. Not much was expected of him entering the year
2. He was never a stud prospect
3, There are plenty who offer more of an overall package who are proven.

This means people are gonna see his performance as a fluke. It&#039;s the same with Zobrist. Zobrist however offers more value than Sandoval considering the various positions that he qualifies for. But neither was expected to do much in the preseason and neither were stud prospects thus a lot are gonna see both as having a fluke year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kershaw should be ahead of Billingsley. Kershaw is more talented, younger and had a better ERA this year. </p>
<p>As for Pablo Sandoval, he doesn&#8217;t hold much trade value because </p>
<p>1. Not much was expected of him entering the year<br />
2. He was never a stud prospect<br />
3, There are plenty who offer more of an overall package who are proven.</p>
<p>This means people are gonna see his performance as a fluke. It&#8217;s the same with Zobrist. Zobrist however offers more value than Sandoval considering the various positions that he qualifies for. But neither was expected to do much in the preseason and neither were stud prospects thus a lot are gonna see both as having a fluke year.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26/#comment-86393</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgot one...

ChBi &#124; 8.29 &#124; 4.10 &#124; 3.83 &#124; 24

so four of those pitchers rank between 29 and 50 and one isn&#039;t even honorable mention?  (scratches head)  all other things being more or less equal (which they certainly seem to be) i&#039;ll take the youngest guy with the best strikeout rate going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgot one&#8230;</p>
<p>ChBi | 8.29 | 4.10 | 3.83 | 24</p>
<p>so four of those pitchers rank between 29 and 50 and one isn&#8217;t even honorable mention?  (scratches head)  all other things being more or less equal (which they certainly seem to be) i&#8217;ll take the youngest guy with the best strikeout rate going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26/#comment-86391</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude &#124;  k/9  &#124; bb/9 &#124; fip   &#124; age 

JoJo  &#124; 7.71 &#124; 3.42 &#124; 3.54 &#124; 25

UbJi  &#124; 7.75 &#124; 4.23 &#124; 3.83 &#124; 25

JeWe  &#124; 7.37 &#124; 2.63 &#124; 3.92 &#124; 26

YoGa  &#124; 8.82 &#124; 3.61 &#124; 3.77 &#124; 23

obviously not in the same class as those three guys above him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude |  k/9  | bb/9 | fip   | age </p>
<p>JoJo  | 7.71 | 3.42 | 3.54 | 25</p>
<p>UbJi  | 7.75 | 4.23 | 3.83 | 25</p>
<p>JeWe  | 7.37 | 2.63 | 3.92 | 26</p>
<p>YoGa  | 8.82 | 3.61 | 3.77 | 23</p>
<p>obviously not in the same class as those three guys above him.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26/#comment-86027</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s definitely true that the talent level in the AL East is far superior to any other division, I think we should refrain from trying to take that into account much.  Seeing two guys with essentially the same numbers and concluding the one in the AL East is better is certainly reasonable, but unless we quantify how much of a difference it actually makes, I think we should be cautious in making mental adjustments between players based on their division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s definitely true that the talent level in the AL East is far superior to any other division, I think we should refrain from trying to take that into account much.  Seeing two guys with essentially the same numbers and concluding the one in the AL East is better is certainly reasonable, but unless we quantify how much of a difference it actually makes, I think we should be cautious in making mental adjustments between players based on their division.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26/#comment-85986</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When some baseball analysts try to pull the &quot;stats cloud the picture&quot; crap, this is one of those rare times they are right.

Right now, having a 1.20 WHIP, 10 K/9, 3 BB/9 in the AL East is better than those same numbers in the NL Central or West. Toronto plays over 1/3rd of their games vs. Boston, NYY, or TB, and Halliday still is a monster. 

Dodger pitchers on the other hand get the benefit of 1/3rd of their season being vs. teams with collective 89, 87, and 84 OPS+&#039;s. Colorado is 100.

Red Sox are only 102, though. Odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When some baseball analysts try to pull the &#8220;stats cloud the picture&#8221; crap, this is one of those rare times they are right.</p>
<p>Right now, having a 1.20 WHIP, 10 K/9, 3 BB/9 in the AL East is better than those same numbers in the NL Central or West. Toronto plays over 1/3rd of their games vs. Boston, NYY, or TB, and Halliday still is a monster. </p>
<p>Dodger pitchers on the other hand get the benefit of 1/3rd of their season being vs. teams with collective 89, 87, and 84 OPS+&#8217;s. Colorado is 100.</p>
<p>Red Sox are only 102, though. Odd.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fresh Hops he was joking...

Not disagreeing with your Bruce over Sandoval opinion, but I take it you haven&#039;t watched Sandoval play a whole lot.  He hasn&#039;t been bad at 3B by any standards, was considered a C coming into the season, could definitely play 1B easily based on how well he&#039;s picked up 3B so far, and just seems to be a natural/fast learner for all things baseball.  He&#039;s also a very good athlete.  Obviously he&#039;s a heavy-set guy and his body type isn&#039;t ideal, but he&#039;s not slow by any means despite being as large as he is because he&#039;s a very good athlete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresh Hops he was joking&#8230;</p>
<p>Not disagreeing with your Bruce over Sandoval opinion, but I take it you haven&#8217;t watched Sandoval play a whole lot.  He hasn&#8217;t been bad at 3B by any standards, was considered a C coming into the season, could definitely play 1B easily based on how well he&#8217;s picked up 3B so far, and just seems to be a natural/fast learner for all things baseball.  He&#8217;s also a very good athlete.  Obviously he&#8217;s a heavy-set guy and his body type isn&#8217;t ideal, but he&#8217;s not slow by any means despite being as large as he is because he&#8217;s a very good athlete.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Hops</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-30-26/#comment-85907</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresh Hops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d take Bruce over Sandoval seven days a week and twice on Sunday. Sandoval is limited to 1B/DH by his body and it&#039;s not hard to question whether he would be an average defensive 1B. However, his Vlad-style plate approach is very hard to project and there&#039;s not doubt he lacks the athleticism of that comparable hitter. Bruce has legitimate Manny-upside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d take Bruce over Sandoval seven days a week and twice on Sunday. Sandoval is limited to 1B/DH by his body and it&#8217;s not hard to question whether he would be an average defensive 1B. However, his Vlad-style plate approach is very hard to project and there&#8217;s not doubt he lacks the athleticism of that comparable hitter. Bruce has legitimate Manny-upside.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4) What&#039;s the chance he declines rapidly?

I don&#039;t think this is taken as highly into consideration as the other points you mentioned. It seems that mostly the age is what they use to determine if they are going to decline. There are many players that have shown flashes of brillance even on the MLB level and don&#039;t pan out even at a young age. Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Eric Hinske, even JD Drew still hasn&#039;t lived up to his potential. 

If BJ Upton made the list this high and he probably projects to fail more then anyone else on the list says something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4) What&#8217;s the chance he declines rapidly?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is taken as highly into consideration as the other points you mentioned. It seems that mostly the age is what they use to determine if they are going to decline. There are many players that have shown flashes of brillance even on the MLB level and don&#8217;t pan out even at a young age. Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Eric Hinske, even JD Drew still hasn&#8217;t lived up to his potential. </p>
<p>If BJ Upton made the list this high and he probably projects to fail more then anyone else on the list says something.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly you of rational thought, Mike.

Remember, Jeter has INTANGIBLEZ and is a WINNA!
Stats don&#039;t matter for Jeter cause it&#039;s all about the team for him. Probably why he moved to 3rd when A-Rod was traded to NY...right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly you of rational thought, Mike.</p>
<p>Remember, Jeter has INTANGIBLEZ and is a WINNA!<br />
Stats don&#8217;t matter for Jeter cause it&#8217;s all about the team for him. Probably why he moved to 3rd when A-Rod was traded to NY&#8230;right?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that no one on the planet would take Jeter over Ramirez even if their contracts were the same...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that no one on the planet would take Jeter over Ramirez even if their contracts were the same&#8230;</p>
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