Comments on: 2009 MLB Trade Value: #40-#36 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:03:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: nick http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-90696 nick Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:48:55 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-90696 Okay so I just started reading the comments for the trade value pieces and just wanted to chime in on the sandoval discussion (albeit about 3 weeks late). As a Braves fan I can certainly say that there is no way that the Braves would trade Hanson for Sandoval, ace caliber starters are less in number than solid hitters like Sandoval, plus we have Chipper and Freddie Freeman for the corner spots. Just like the Giants wouldn't make the deal because they have Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgardner. Just like there are serious reservations about Hanson's ability to reach his potential, there have to be serious reservations about Sandoval's free swinging ways, future position (will he be able to remain at third?), and ridiculous BABIP. There's just as good a chance of Hanson becoming a #1 as Sandoval maintaining his BABIP, staying at third, and not falling victim to his Vlad Guerrero approach. In fact I'd say Hanson's chances are better. I do agree that Sandoval should have been included in the top 50 but I don't see any team offering a #1 pitching prospect (a la Hanson, Scherzer, etc) in return. Okay so I just started reading the comments for the trade value pieces and just wanted to chime in on the sandoval discussion (albeit about 3 weeks late). As a Braves fan I can certainly say that there is no way that the Braves would trade Hanson for Sandoval, ace caliber starters are less in number than solid hitters like Sandoval, plus we have Chipper and Freddie Freeman for the corner spots. Just like the Giants wouldn’t make the deal because they have Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgardner. Just like there are serious reservations about Hanson’s ability to reach his potential, there have to be serious reservations about Sandoval’s free swinging ways, future position (will he be able to remain at third?), and ridiculous BABIP. There’s just as good a chance of Hanson becoming a #1 as Sandoval maintaining his BABIP, staying at third, and not falling victim to his Vlad Guerrero approach. In fact I’d say Hanson’s chances are better. I do agree that Sandoval should have been included in the top 50 but I don’t see any team offering a #1 pitching prospect (a la Hanson, Scherzer, etc) in return.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-86280 Andrew Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:13:08 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-86280 You think every Red Sox is overrated. Pedroia? Overrated Lester? Overrated Buchholz? Overrated Lars? Overrated You a Yankee fan or something? You think every Red Sox is overrated.

Pedroia? Overrated
Lester? Overrated
Buchholz? Overrated
Lars? Overrated

You a Yankee fan or something?

]]> By: Judy http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85667 Judy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:01:05 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85667 I assumed that Hughes was going to show up later, not that he isn't on it at all. I assumed that Hughes was going to show up later, not that he isn’t on it at all.

]]> By: kevinM http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85626 kevinM Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:59:18 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85626 I agree with others who think it's a bit presumptuous to put Buchholz on this list. Stuff has to be a major part of his ranking because otherwise it makes no sense. Compare his profile to Phil Hughes, who's almost 2 years younger, has dominated the minors too, and also has periods of big league success to point to. Does Buchholz stuff give him such an advantage that he belongs on this list and not Hughes? Regarding the Heyward pick, I have a difficult time putting any pitcher/position player on the list who currently isn't in the majors and hasn't proven he can perform at this level yet. I agree with others who think it’s a bit presumptuous to put Buchholz on this list. Stuff has to be a major part of his ranking because otherwise it makes no sense. Compare his profile to Phil Hughes, who’s almost 2 years younger, has dominated the minors too, and also has periods of big league success to point to. Does Buchholz stuff give him such an advantage that he belongs on this list and not Hughes?

Regarding the Heyward pick, I have a difficult time putting any pitcher/position player on the list who currently isn’t in the majors and hasn’t proven he can perform at this level yet.

]]> By: Pat http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85606 Pat Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:38:41 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85606 Like I said, we'll find out. But, his power and patience has improved significantly over the last month plus. Like I said, we’ll find out.

But, his power and patience has improved significantly over the last month plus.

]]> By: Alex http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85577 Alex Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:26:20 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85577 Wow this makes so much more sense now. Finally checked out the website Pat links too and guess what... Pablo Sandoval is Going to Be A Hall of Famer http://westcoastbias.com/?p=821#more-821 No wonder you're arguing this one non-stop and are absolutely convinced that Sandoval will be better than Scherzer, Hanson, Buchholz, and Chamberlain, you're already predicting a HOF career for the kid after less than 500 PA in the majors. Needless to say I'm done wasting my time here. Wow this makes so much more sense now. Finally checked out the website Pat links too and guess what…

Pablo Sandoval is Going to Be A Hall of Famer
http://westcoastbias.com/?p=821#more-821

No wonder you’re arguing this one non-stop and are absolutely convinced that Sandoval will be better than Scherzer, Hanson, Buchholz, and Chamberlain, you’re already predicting a HOF career for the kid after less than 500 PA in the majors.

Needless to say I’m done wasting my time here.

]]> By: Alex http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85575 Alex Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:15:06 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85575 Talent-wise no, but if he's been pretty lucky in terms of BABIP and that number regresses to the mean going forward, then yes I do expect his numbers to get worse. If he's actually more of a .320 BABIP type hitter than the ~.360 he's posted thus far, then he's going to have to improve a lot in other areas to maintain similar offensive numbers with the lower BABIP. Talent-wise no, but if he’s been pretty lucky in terms of BABIP and that number regresses to the mean going forward, then yes I do expect his numbers to get worse. If he’s actually more of a .320 BABIP type hitter than the ~.360 he’s posted thus far, then he’s going to have to improve a lot in other areas to maintain similar offensive numbers with the lower BABIP.

]]> By: Pat http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85569 Pat Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:52:13 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85569 So, you're expecting Sandoval to be a worse player/hitter at age 23 than at age 22? Then that's where we can agree to disagree. We'll see. So, you’re expecting Sandoval to be a worse player/hitter at age 23 than at age 22?

Then that’s where we can agree to disagree. We’ll see.

]]> By: Pat http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85568 Pat Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:48:13 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85568 The truth is, we can't speak for other teams and what they may or may not do. Some org's value certain players more than others. Some org's value more proven guys over potential. No one is going to change anyone's mind here, but I'm very confident that, from this point forward, Sandoval will have more value than Scherzer, Hanson, and Buchholz (Chamberlain can be thrown in there, too). The reasons are the fantastic numbers posted above, plus his power and patience numbers continue to improve. Prince Fielder had weight questions, too, and had worse numbers than Sandoval in his first full season at age 22. Yet, he was ranked 31st in the 2007 rankings. I was expecting Sandoval in the 31-36 range. The truth is, we can’t speak for other teams and what they may or may not do. Some org’s value certain players more than others. Some org’s value more proven guys over potential.

No one is going to change anyone’s mind here, but I’m very confident that, from this point forward, Sandoval will have more value than Scherzer, Hanson, and Buchholz (Chamberlain can be thrown in there, too).

The reasons are the fantastic numbers posted above, plus his power and patience numbers continue to improve.

Prince Fielder had weight questions, too, and had worse numbers than Sandoval in his first full season at age 22. Yet, he was ranked 31st in the 2007 rankings. I was expecting Sandoval in the 31-36 range.

]]> By: Alex http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-40-36/#comment-85565 Alex Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:27:49 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=6641#comment-85565 No doubt that would be good, but the lofty ranking would be heavily influenced by a high BABIP. If he could maintain a similar level in that category going forward, then yeah he'll likely be among the top 30 or so in wOBA at least through free agency. I'm not sold on that yet though, so I could easily see him sinking back into the 60s or so by next season. No doubt that would be good, but the lofty ranking would be heavily influenced by a high BABIP. If he could maintain a similar level in that category going forward, then yeah he’ll likely be among the top 30 or so in wOBA at least through free agency. I’m not sold on that yet though, so I could easily see him sinking back into the 60s or so by next season.

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