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	<title>Comments on: 2009 MLB Trade Value: #5-#1</title>
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		<title>By: Mehdi</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-5-1/#comment-130267</link>
		<dc:creator>Mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Felonius_Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felonius_Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d trade him for Longoria or HanRam, definitely.

I agree that I probably wouldn&#039;t pull the trigger on Upton, because he&#039;ll only just be hitting his peak when he reaches free agency, meaning whoever wants him through his peak years is going to have to seriously pony up some cash.  He was pretty good last year, at an absurdly young age, but his BABIP was nearly .370 which is unsustainable even for a guy with his speed, and I&#039;m not convinced he&#039;ll put up an 18% HR/FB again, even though Chase Field is pretty friendly to flyball hitters, so perhaps his raw power numbers, OPS and non-park-adjusted wOBA over-rate him somewhat in 2009.

I also think his defence is yet to kind of &quot;level out&quot;; he&#039;s had some wildly variable UZR ratings and, despite the speed and strong arm, I think it&#039;s hard to say with assurance that he&#039;s a great defender going forward.

He&#039;s a hell of a player and putting up the numbers he has at 21 is pretty special, but I think his ceiling is questionable enough that I&#039;d rather be paying the greatest player in the game $30m for two years than have Upton under team control for another four years at probably $20m or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d trade him for Longoria or HanRam, definitely.</p>
<p>I agree that I probably wouldn&#8217;t pull the trigger on Upton, because he&#8217;ll only just be hitting his peak when he reaches free agency, meaning whoever wants him through his peak years is going to have to seriously pony up some cash.  He was pretty good last year, at an absurdly young age, but his BABIP was nearly .370 which is unsustainable even for a guy with his speed, and I&#8217;m not convinced he&#8217;ll put up an 18% HR/FB again, even though Chase Field is pretty friendly to flyball hitters, so perhaps his raw power numbers, OPS and non-park-adjusted wOBA over-rate him somewhat in 2009.</p>
<p>I also think his defence is yet to kind of &#8220;level out&#8221;; he&#8217;s had some wildly variable UZR ratings and, despite the speed and strong arm, I think it&#8217;s hard to say with assurance that he&#8217;s a great defender going forward.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a hell of a player and putting up the numbers he has at 21 is pretty special, but I think his ceiling is questionable enough that I&#8217;d rather be paying the greatest player in the game $30m for two years than have Upton under team control for another four years at probably $20m or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-5-1/#comment-120441</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cabrera was an above average defensive player at 1st last year...  

He moved down the defensive spectrum from 3rd to 1st, so just because he was below average at 3rd doesnt mean he will be at 1st..

His defense got better and better as the season went along... I would have no problem calling for a +5 URZ for 2010!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabrera was an above average defensive player at 1st last year&#8230;  </p>
<p>He moved down the defensive spectrum from 3rd to 1st, so just because he was below average at 3rd doesnt mean he will be at 1st..</p>
<p>His defense got better and better as the season went along&#8230; I would have no problem calling for a +5 URZ for 2010!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sky, locking up your arb years is fine if it provides you with the financial security you&#039;re looking for.

...but man are those option years dumb.  Tampa has no leverage over you at that point, why let them have that kind of financial flexibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sky, locking up your arb years is fine if it provides you with the financial security you&#8217;re looking for.</p>
<p>&#8230;but man are those option years dumb.  Tampa has no leverage over you at that point, why let them have that kind of financial flexibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-5-1/#comment-89787</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Cards fan, and no way would I trade Albert for those guys in the top three.  Pujols is just too freaking awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Cards fan, and no way would I trade Albert for those guys in the top three.  Pujols is just too freaking awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where the heck is Jason Kendall on this list? I thought he&#039;d at least be top 3... power bat, good speed, high average, canon for an arm...
or what about Suppan and that lethal fastball
or Counsell
or Looper
or Bush
or Hall
or McGehee
sometimes I hate being a Brewer fan... but then Braun or Fielder belts a HR and reminds me that there is hope if we can get some pitching to fill in around Yo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where the heck is Jason Kendall on this list? I thought he&#8217;d at least be top 3&#8230; power bat, good speed, high average, canon for an arm&#8230;<br />
or what about Suppan and that lethal fastball<br />
or Counsell<br />
or Looper<br />
or Bush<br />
or Hall<br />
or McGehee<br />
sometimes I hate being a Brewer fan&#8230; but then Braun or Fielder belts a HR and reminds me that there is hope if we can get some pitching to fill in around Yo.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Hops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fresh Hops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longoria is signed to an absurdly below market contract that extends through his prime. Even if you think that Longoria will be just the 25th best player in baseball for the next seven years, you&#039;d be getting him at next to nothing if you traded for him. Upton, on the other hand, is due for arbitration, which means that he&#039;s going to get paid soon and will not likely sell off his FA years as cheaply as Longo did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longoria is signed to an absurdly below market contract that extends through his prime. Even if you think that Longoria will be just the 25th best player in baseball for the next seven years, you&#8217;d be getting him at next to nothing if you traded for him. Upton, on the other hand, is due for arbitration, which means that he&#8217;s going to get paid soon and will not likely sell off his FA years as cheaply as Longo did.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all comes down to the contract. Longo is great, but a .359 OBP isn&#039;t *that* special. Perhaps Longo&#039;s agent should have made the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all comes down to the contract. Longo is great, but a .359 OBP isn&#8217;t *that* special. Perhaps Longo&#8217;s agent should have made the list.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Joey Votto or Yovani Gallardo?  Neither have a contract in place, but they are both young and under team control for 3-4 more years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Joey Votto or Yovani Gallardo?  Neither have a contract in place, but they are both young and under team control for 3-4 more years.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s no guarantee of anything in this game. Somebody offers you a big contract, you take it.&quot;

Well, that&#039;s a very simplistic way of looking at things.  Rather, you make a decision based on how much money you&#039;d be losing by signing a contract like Longoria&#039;s vs. how much the added security of a guaranteed amount is worth.  It&#039;s a different amount for everybody, obviously Longoria liked the guaranteed money.  

The way he&#039;s been playing, though, he was set to get a lot of money the second he was eligible for arbitration, so the risks were probably pretty minimal.  I think Longoria got absolutely hosed, he would have made so much more money than he&#039;s going to now.  Those club options are the end are also killer - that&#039;s just poor negotiating by his agent, after the steal the Rays got on the initial part of his contract the least his agent could have done is get him mutual options or something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s no guarantee of anything in this game. Somebody offers you a big contract, you take it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s a very simplistic way of looking at things.  Rather, you make a decision based on how much money you&#8217;d be losing by signing a contract like Longoria&#8217;s vs. how much the added security of a guaranteed amount is worth.  It&#8217;s a different amount for everybody, obviously Longoria liked the guaranteed money.  </p>
<p>The way he&#8217;s been playing, though, he was set to get a lot of money the second he was eligible for arbitration, so the risks were probably pretty minimal.  I think Longoria got absolutely hosed, he would have made so much more money than he&#8217;s going to now.  Those club options are the end are also killer &#8211; that&#8217;s just poor negotiating by his agent, after the steal the Rays got on the initial part of his contract the least his agent could have done is get him mutual options or something&#8230;</p>
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