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	<title>Comments on: 2009 MLB Trade Value: Recap</title>
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		<title>By: Jash</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-recap/#comment-374835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simmons has been doing this column for a decade. Give me your password.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simmons has been doing this column for a decade. Give me your password.</p>
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		<title>By: Ttj Trey</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-recap/#comment-374766</link>
		<dc:creator>Ttj Trey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I log into FG and I see that this post from last summer has been dug up o accuse Dave Cam of stealing the idea from some espn reporter? Are you people serious? Perhaps the ideas are similar, but I personally know that DC wrote a similar column before last season so it&#039;s not entirely out of the question that mr espn was inspired by dave. In fact I&#039;m willing to wager my FanGraphs premium account that that&#039;s exacty what happened. FanGraphs has your back, Dave. We truly are the last great sports site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I log into FG and I see that this post from last summer has been dug up o accuse Dave Cam of stealing the idea from some espn reporter? Are you people serious? Perhaps the ideas are similar, but I personally know that DC wrote a similar column before last season so it&#8217;s not entirely out of the question that mr espn was inspired by dave. In fact I&#8217;m willing to wager my FanGraphs premium account that that&#8217;s exacty what happened. FanGraphs has your back, Dave. We truly are the last great sports site.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo's Changeup</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-recap/#comment-196844</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo's Changeup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why no Phil Hughes? I think he should at least take Chamberlain&#039;s spot. Of the two young Yankee arms, he&#039;s by far the most proven as of today. I know Joba has good periphs, but he&#039;s simply hittable, there isn&#039;t a yankee fan who won&#039;t tell you Joba&#039;s FIP isn&#039;t deceiving. I think teams would value Hughes more then Joba</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why no Phil Hughes? I think he should at least take Chamberlain&#8217;s spot. Of the two young Yankee arms, he&#8217;s by far the most proven as of today. I know Joba has good periphs, but he&#8217;s simply hittable, there isn&#8217;t a yankee fan who won&#8217;t tell you Joba&#8217;s FIP isn&#8217;t deceiving. I think teams would value Hughes more then Joba</p>
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		<title>By: obsessivegiantscompulsive</title>
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		<dc:creator>obsessivegiantscompulsive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 21:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is interesting that despite ZiPS projection, Sandoval ended up with a .397 wOBA, which is basically the .400 that Dave said that Sandoval would not be able to maintain.  I assume his comment meant that it would fall more towards the ZiPS .357 projection than this very minor drop.  I wonder what Dave has to say about that?

The problem with projections is that it (necessarily) has to rely on prior performances to estimate what is going to happen in the future.  What it did not see was that Sandoval had not figured out how to hit for power previously, but finally it clicked in during June 2009, and he was able to maintain a higher rate of HR hitting that his prior performances would not have indicated.  

The system (nor outside analysts) also cannot understand Sandoval&#039;s body type and find out via reading that despite his roly-poly stature, he is very athletic.  It could not see Sandoval make a beautiful off-the-plate slide to touch home plate and avoid the tag with almost zero margin for error, then the following week see Sandoval somehow leap over the catcher&#039;s mitt to score another run.  He is the bumblebee of baseball players.  They were plays that almost brought a tear to my eye, they were so beautiful.  I&#039;ve seen probably close to 1000 games, so this is not hyperbole, they were displays of great base running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is interesting that despite ZiPS projection, Sandoval ended up with a .397 wOBA, which is basically the .400 that Dave said that Sandoval would not be able to maintain.  I assume his comment meant that it would fall more towards the ZiPS .357 projection than this very minor drop.  I wonder what Dave has to say about that?</p>
<p>The problem with projections is that it (necessarily) has to rely on prior performances to estimate what is going to happen in the future.  What it did not see was that Sandoval had not figured out how to hit for power previously, but finally it clicked in during June 2009, and he was able to maintain a higher rate of HR hitting that his prior performances would not have indicated.  </p>
<p>The system (nor outside analysts) also cannot understand Sandoval&#8217;s body type and find out via reading that despite his roly-poly stature, he is very athletic.  It could not see Sandoval make a beautiful off-the-plate slide to touch home plate and avoid the tag with almost zero margin for error, then the following week see Sandoval somehow leap over the catcher&#8217;s mitt to score another run.  He is the bumblebee of baseball players.  They were plays that almost brought a tear to my eye, they were so beautiful.  I&#8217;ve seen probably close to 1000 games, so this is not hyperbole, they were displays of great base running.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are your top 10 as of today? Is Longoria still #1? Where is Mauer? Has Felix moved up?</description>
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		<title>By: Melvin Nieves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin Nieves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be really nice to have a link to the explanation for each player on the list. SEO has it&#039;s place and all, but the player links in this list should be helpful based on the context of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be really nice to have a link to the explanation for each player on the list. SEO has it&#8217;s place and all, but the player links in this list should be helpful based on the context of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s probably hit his ceiling as a 4 WAR player, though if you were to do this by excess trade value, he&#039;d certainly make the list as he&#039;ll likely produce about 50-60M dollars of excess trade value over the course of the next 4 seasons. I just think they were mainly looking for guys that could greatly improve (tulo) or are already great which yunel falls under neither category. Certainly an extremely valuable trade piece though with the braves lack of SS depth there&#039;s no chance he gets traded anytime soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s probably hit his ceiling as a 4 WAR player, though if you were to do this by excess trade value, he&#8217;d certainly make the list as he&#8217;ll likely produce about 50-60M dollars of excess trade value over the course of the next 4 seasons. I just think they were mainly looking for guys that could greatly improve (tulo) or are already great which yunel falls under neither category. Certainly an extremely valuable trade piece though with the braves lack of SS depth there&#8217;s no chance he gets traded anytime soon</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few problems with this list, first and foremost imo is the inclusion of Strasburg especially that high. There is no way I&#039;d take him over 6 years of Tommy Hanson and Clay Buchholz right now yet there he is about 15 spots ahead. Service time and cost are not different enough to skew this and I&#039;d say the greater potential of Strasburg is more than offset by the greater guarantee of success that Clay and Tommy are at this point in time. By extension I also wonder how you have Clay ahead of Hanson though since it&#039;s only two spots I won&#039;t whine about it.  The other big problem for young pitchers is David Price, I&#039;d argue that both Buchholz and Hanson have both passed him yet he&#039;s ranked right wher Strasburg is as well. I&#039;d also say Brett Anderson definitely deserves an honerable mention. My other major quip would be Ryan Zimmermann. How does a guy that just posted a 7.1 WAR rank so low here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few problems with this list, first and foremost imo is the inclusion of Strasburg especially that high. There is no way I&#8217;d take him over 6 years of Tommy Hanson and Clay Buchholz right now yet there he is about 15 spots ahead. Service time and cost are not different enough to skew this and I&#8217;d say the greater potential of Strasburg is more than offset by the greater guarantee of success that Clay and Tommy are at this point in time. By extension I also wonder how you have Clay ahead of Hanson though since it&#8217;s only two spots I won&#8217;t whine about it.  The other big problem for young pitchers is David Price, I&#8217;d argue that both Buchholz and Hanson have both passed him yet he&#8217;s ranked right wher Strasburg is as well. I&#8217;d also say Brett Anderson definitely deserves an honerable mention. My other major quip would be Ryan Zimmermann. How does a guy that just posted a 7.1 WAR rank so low here?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Aaron Hill or Adam Lind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Aaron Hill or Adam Lind?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Mark Reynolds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Mark Reynolds</p>
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