Comments on: An Extension For Abreu?

By: joser

joser — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:26:54 +0000

You can’t quantify leadership like that.

Of course you most certainly can. In fact…

The team OBP rising from .330 to .350

… you seem to think you just did.

Of course, it’s nowhere near as simple or direct as you think it is, and a couple of other folks have already pointed that out. But to the extent his “leadership” actually mattered, it will be evident in other stats; and if it isn’t, well, then meh.

By: Judy

Judy — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:23:23 +0000

Well, the market for him may have changed some, since there seem to be more teams in the mix this offseason for good offensive corner OF/DHs than there were last offseason, and the pitching free agent market doesn’t seem to have as much worth spending your money on.

By: Not David

Not David — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:33:06 +0000

$3.50

By: TomG

TomG — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:29:07 +0000

By: Not David

Not David — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:23:10 +0000

Or that the difference in OBP between 2008 and 2009 was due almost entirely to the team’s batting average? (.268 vs. .285)

By: Not David

Not David — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:20:15 +0000

Did any of your non-statistical analysis recognize that there was nothing special about Hunter’s discipline? Or that Figgins has been a steady improver in that department long before Abreu joined them? Or that this was Morales’ first full season and you have absolutely no idea what he would have done had Abreu not been there? Or that Aybar’s walk rate remained unchanged?

I’ll take the statistical analysis over subjective hyperbole eight days a week.

By: Lyle Spencer

Lyle Spencer — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:25:19 +0000

None of this statistical analysis considers the significant impact Abreu had on almost every hitter in the lineup. The team OBP rising from .330 to .350 was a major peripheral benefit of bringing Abreu on board. Check the career numbers of guys like Figgins and Hunter, along with younger guys such as Aybar and Morales. They all gave Abreu much of the credit for their improved discipline. You can’t quantify leadership like that.

By: walkoffblast

walkoffblast — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:45:37 +0000

Yes, he was underpaid but his contract was a product of the market and that market has not changed much if at all.

By: iYankees

iYankees — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:21:28 +0000

I gotcha. Thanks, Dave. Keep up the good work.

By: Dave Cameron

Dave Cameron — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:02:08 +0000

No, he’s pretty much a +2 win guy. A ~.360 wOBA and -15 defense in the outfield is pretty much the definition of a league average player.

$9 or $10 million a year for two years wouldn’t be a disaster, but if that’s what he wants, teams should pass. The market is full of DH types who will sign for way less.