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	<title>Comments on: Andre Ethier&#8217;s Offensive Defense</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/andre-ethiers-offensive-defense/#comment-104660</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s small sample size. How could a young player all of a sudden go from wOBA-ing .330 to .380?&quot;

No - players develop with age. If you enter the majors at age 20 and your wOBA is .330, and 3 years later your wOBA is .380 - that&#039;s not unexpected. How many players at that age experience that kind of swing in fielding ability due to random variation? Off the top of my head, the other obvious example is Yuniesky Betancourt - but that was certainly not just random variation (his hitting fell off at a precipitous rate too).

Wouldn&#039;t it have been relatively simple to take the difference between Ethier&#039;s first two and last two years, compare that to the average difference in UZR/150 for right fielders of a similar age and playing time (assuming the sample size is large enough), and run a t test or something? I&#039;d venture to say this data point is pretty significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s small sample size. How could a young player all of a sudden go from wOBA-ing .330 to .380?&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8211; players develop with age. If you enter the majors at age 20 and your wOBA is .330, and 3 years later your wOBA is .380 &#8211; that&#8217;s not unexpected. How many players at that age experience that kind of swing in fielding ability due to random variation? Off the top of my head, the other obvious example is Yuniesky Betancourt &#8211; but that was certainly not just random variation (his hitting fell off at a precipitous rate too).</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it have been relatively simple to take the difference between Ethier&#8217;s first two and last two years, compare that to the average difference in UZR/150 for right fielders of a similar age and playing time (assuming the sample size is large enough), and run a t test or something? I&#8217;d venture to say this data point is pretty significant.</p>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/andre-ethiers-offensive-defense/#comment-104544</link>
		<dc:creator>vivaelpujols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Park adjustments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Park adjustments.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/andre-ethiers-offensive-defense/#comment-104470</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethier has a plus arm, based on the games I&#039;ve watched.  I&#039;ve seen him make several outfield assists. Not sure where he ranks on an outfield assists tracker, and even if he was near the top if that is a good thing, since 3B coaches don&#039;t even attempt close plays against the best RF arms.  But I&#039;m still not sold on any defensive metric to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethier has a plus arm, based on the games I&#8217;ve watched.  I&#8217;ve seen him make several outfield assists. Not sure where he ranks on an outfield assists tracker, and even if he was near the top if that is a good thing, since 3B coaches don&#8217;t even attempt close plays against the best RF arms.  But I&#8217;m still not sold on any defensive metric to date.</p>
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		<title>By: scatterbrian</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/andre-ethiers-offensive-defense/#comment-104457</link>
		<dc:creator>scatterbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confused. On Ethier&#039;s player page, his wRAA was 26.5 in &#039;08 and 23.3 in &#039;09 (49.8). On the sortable leaderboard, if you select &quot;Past 2 Calendar Years&quot; Ethier&#039;s wRAA is 49.4. Why are they different, and where did you get 53.3?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confused. On Ethier&#8217;s player page, his wRAA was 26.5 in &#8216;08 and 23.3 in &#8216;09 (49.8). On the sortable leaderboard, if you select &#8220;Past 2 Calendar Years&#8221; Ethier&#8217;s wRAA is 49.4. Why are they different, and where did you get 53.3?</p>
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		<title>By: MGL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MGL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  Noting indications of Ethier&#039;s speed is an important thing to do when trying to assess his true defensive ability.  When I do defensive projections, I regress a player&#039;s long-term UZR toward the UZR mean of a player with similar speed.  If, for example, a RF&#039;er has below average speed, according to a speed score, his sample UZR might get regressed toward -2 per 150 rather than 0.

I also don&#039;t like the use of the word or the concept of &quot;outlier&quot; when discussing samples of player performance.  Everything counts.

And, like WY above, I don&#039;t like the wording, &quot;cost the Dodgers 35.6 runs...&quot;

The arm ratings are always &quot;as compared to an average player at that position.&quot;  So, when a player moves from LF to RF, we expect his arm rating to do down by X runs since the average RF&#039;er has a much stronger arm than the average LF.  I forgot how much X runs are, but it is probably 3-4 runs or so. It is like moving from 2B to SS.  You expect a player&#039;s range runs to go down by a few runs..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  Noting indications of Ethier&#8217;s speed is an important thing to do when trying to assess his true defensive ability.  When I do defensive projections, I regress a player&#8217;s long-term UZR toward the UZR mean of a player with similar speed.  If, for example, a RF&#8217;er has below average speed, according to a speed score, his sample UZR might get regressed toward -2 per 150 rather than 0.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t like the use of the word or the concept of &#8220;outlier&#8221; when discussing samples of player performance.  Everything counts.</p>
<p>And, like WY above, I don&#8217;t like the wording, &#8220;cost the Dodgers 35.6 runs&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The arm ratings are always &#8220;as compared to an average player at that position.&#8221;  So, when a player moves from LF to RF, we expect his arm rating to do down by X runs since the average RF&#8217;er has a much stronger arm than the average LF.  I forgot how much X runs are, but it is probably 3-4 runs or so. It is like moving from 2B to SS.  You expect a player&#8217;s range runs to go down by a few runs..</p>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivaelpujols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Just because they don&#039;t match up doesn&#039;t mean you should discount them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Just because they don&#8217;t match up doesn&#8217;t mean you should discount them.</p>
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		<title>By: WY</title>
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		<dc:creator>WY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As he plays the corner outfield positions, he already starts out with a position adjustment of -13.9 runs. Combine that with a -21.7 UZR over 308 games in the outfield, and Ethier has cost the Dodgers 35.6 runs with the glove.&quot;

Is this really the best way to word this? Is it really fair to penalize him for the positional adjustment in terms of &quot;costing&quot; the Dodgers all these runs? After all, someone has to play right field. If his UZR were 0.0, would it really make sense to say that he &quot;cost the Dodgers -13.9 runs with his glove&quot;? Something&#039;s not right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As he plays the corner outfield positions, he already starts out with a position adjustment of -13.9 runs. Combine that with a -21.7 UZR over 308 games in the outfield, and Ethier has cost the Dodgers 35.6 runs with the glove.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this really the best way to word this? Is it really fair to penalize him for the positional adjustment in terms of &#8220;costing&#8221; the Dodgers all these runs? After all, someone has to play right field. If his UZR were 0.0, would it really make sense to say that he &#8220;cost the Dodgers -13.9 runs with his glove&#8221;? Something&#8217;s not right there.</p>
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		<title>By: devil_fingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>devil_fingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. Be careful with labeling certain seasons &quot;outliers,&quot; though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. Be careful with labeling certain seasons &#8220;outliers,&#8221; though.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethier seems to me to have gained weight since his debut in 2006.  The guy loves to eat.  He has a restaurant blog, even http://diningwithdre.mlblogs.com/

I think he&#039;s just not moving as well as when he was slimmer.  His power has increased though, so maybe it&#039;s muscle weight as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethier seems to me to have gained weight since his debut in 2006.  The guy loves to eat.  He has a restaurant blog, even <a href="http://diningwithdre.mlblogs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://diningwithdre.mlblogs.com/</a></p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s just not moving as well as when he was slimmer.  His power has increased though, so maybe it&#8217;s muscle weight as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mopaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mopaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t part of Ethier&#039;s poor range be explained by the fact that Matt Kemp plays center and has amazing range?  I watched almost every game this year, and there are a ton of balls that Kemp called Ethier off on, but Andre was standing behind Kemp waiting to back him up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t part of Ethier&#8217;s poor range be explained by the fact that Matt Kemp plays center and has amazing range?  I watched almost every game this year, and there are a ton of balls that Kemp called Ethier off on, but Andre was standing behind Kemp waiting to back him up.</p>
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