Comments on: Appreciating Pat Burrell http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:34:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lyle French http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-36093 Lyle French Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:39:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-36093 anticommunist unvirginal correa umbrellawort antejuramentum tormentil barquantine apolar <a href="http://www.classic-tv.com/" rel="nofollow">Classic TV Database</a> http://www.globethink.com/ anticommunist unvirginal correa umbrellawort antejuramentum tormentil barquantine apolar
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]]> By: Eric Seidman http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32535 Eric Seidman Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:01:25 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32535 Dan, I just can't see it happening. So far yes he's the MVP of the team, along with Cole Hamels. If Burrell can keep this up until June or July I would be shocked. I tend to think that if Howard starts to get hot, Burrell will somehow cool down. I feel like if Howard starts producing and hitting the 2-r homer before Burrell can, that Burrell's productivity would decline somewhat. It's something to research but how many times have we seen a huge play (game-tying or pushing into the lead) home run followed by a weak groundout of flyout while the team is still cheering over the home run? I've seen it a lot. It goes into the Yerkes and Dodson theory that a player in low and high pressure situations will produce less than someone in moderate situations. If Howard hits the 2-r homer last night, the pressure would be less. Something to explore. Dan, I just can’t see it happening. So far yes he’s the MVP of the team, along with Cole Hamels. If Burrell can keep this up until June or July I would be shocked. I tend to think that if Howard starts to get hot, Burrell will somehow cool down. I feel like if Howard starts producing and hitting the 2-r homer before Burrell can, that Burrell’s productivity would decline somewhat. It’s something to research but how many times have we seen a huge play (game-tying or pushing into the lead) home run followed by a weak groundout of flyout while the team is still cheering over the home run? I’ve seen it a lot. It goes into the Yerkes and Dodson theory that a player in low and high pressure situations will produce less than someone in moderate situations. If Howard hits the 2-r homer last night, the pressure would be less. Something to explore.

]]> By: Dan http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32533 Dan Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:51:09 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32533 Pat has definitely been the MVP of the Phils so far this year. And if he holds up to the production he's putting out now has a good chance of earning his first mvp trophy! I wouldn't be surprised to see him batting 4th if Howard continues to slump early. http://www.burrellmvp.com Pat has definitely been the MVP of the Phils so far this year. And if he holds up to the production he’s putting out now has a good chance of earning his first mvp trophy!

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him batting 4th if Howard continues to slump early.

http://www.burrellmvp.com

]]> By: Eric J. Seidman http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32468 Eric J. Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:18:46 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32468 Tom, I've seen Golson play and, unless he can really improve and develop he is not a long term answer. Then we get into all types of management questions pertaining to what should the team really be looking for? Long-term success or short-term success? Only one team is going to win the World Series and it is not very likely to be the Phillies. Plus, they've already had a string of 85+ win seasons so it isn't like they have been losing. Somebody brought an interesting topic up to me that I'd like to pose as a question here. It dealt with being a Giants fan or being a Marlins fan, but teams aside, the question would be interesting to answer. Basically it was: In the late nineties, early 2000's, the Giants were a perennial playoff contender, going so far to make it to the World Series in 2002, whereas the Marlins won two championships but stunk the other years. Would you rather be rooting for a team that had a legit shot at success every single year or one that would win championships but struggle in between World Series wins? Tom, I’ve seen Golson play and, unless he can really improve and develop he is not a long term answer. Then we get into all types of management questions pertaining to what should the team really be looking for? Long-term success or short-term success? Only one team is going to win the World Series and it is not very likely to be the Phillies. Plus, they’ve already had a string of 85+ win seasons so it isn’t like they have been losing. Somebody brought an interesting topic up to me that I’d like to pose as a question here. It dealt with being a Giants fan or being a Marlins fan, but teams aside, the question would be interesting to answer. Basically it was: In the late nineties, early 2000′s, the Giants were a perennial playoff contender, going so far to make it to the World Series in 2002, whereas the Marlins won two championships but stunk the other years.

Would you rather be rooting for a team that had a legit shot at success every single year or one that would win championships but struggle in between World Series wins?

]]> By: Eric J. Seidman http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32467 Eric J. Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:13:24 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32467 Dan, very nice, haha. I checked over the summer and there was like nothing there. I even found blog posts that talked about how there was nothing out there. I guess the pulpo conspiracy has come to a close. I should do a post on him. I have fun looking at random players. Jeff Cirillo, Tim Naehring, and Mike Lansing come to mind. Dan, very nice, haha. I checked over the summer and there was like nothing there. I even found blog posts that talked about how there was nothing out there. I guess the pulpo conspiracy has come to a close. I should do a post on him. I have fun looking at random players. Jeff Cirillo, Tim Naehring, and Mike Lansing come to mind.

]]> By: dan http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32466 dan Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:10:51 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32466 Eric, I got some good ones.... http://usasports.blox.pl/resource/alfonseca_400x400.jpg http://tinyurl.com/6rudg4 http://homerderby.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/el-pulpo-big.jpg "Baseball pitcher and hitter for the Atlanta Braves(2004-). 6 feet 2 inches tall, 250 pounds, nicknamed 'Pulpo' which is spanish for 'octopus' because he has six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot." Weird. Eric, I got some good ones….

http://usasports.blox.pl/resource/alfonseca_400x400.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/6rudg4

http://homerderby.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/el-pulpo-big.jpg

“Baseball pitcher and hitter for the Atlanta Braves(2004-). 6 feet 2 inches tall, 250 pounds, nicknamed ‘Pulpo’ which is spanish for ‘octopus’ because he has six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.”

Weird.

]]> By: Tom G, ballssticksstuff.com http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32458 Tom G, ballssticksstuff.com Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:46:37 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32458 I wouldn't be opposed to the Phillies bringing Burrell back, but at the same time, I don't see it happening. He would certainly take a pay cut and it's pretty rare for a player to take a pay cut and remain with the same team. I also tend to think that how well Jayson Werth and Geoff Jenkins play, as well as Greg Golson in the minors, will determine how agressively the Phils try and retain Burrell. I wouldn’t be opposed to the Phillies bringing Burrell back, but at the same time, I don’t see it happening. He would certainly take a pay cut and it’s pretty rare for a player to take a pay cut and remain with the same team. I also tend to think that how well Jayson Werth and Geoff Jenkins play, as well as Greg Golson in the minors, will determine how agressively the Phils try and retain Burrell.

]]> By: Eric Seidman http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32455 Eric Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:58:17 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32455 Yeah, for instance, I'm not saying he was the MVP but rather that if someone argued that Burrell was the MVP of the Phillies due to his 2nd half production during significant injury stints by Hamels, Utley, and Victorino, they would not be complete Joe Morgan's. Utley missed July 27th to August 26th. In that span, Burrell was: 31-98, 8 2B, 8 HR, 21 RBI, 17 R, 17 BB, .316/.419/.643, 1.062 OPS He definitely picked up the slack while Utley was on the shelf which would lead some people (not myself) to consider him the Phillies MVP. The problem with an assessment like that deals with his numbers once Utley returned. From August 28th until the end of the season: 22-105, 4 2B, 9 HR, 25 RBI, 21 R, 26 BB, .210/.358/.505, .863 OPS Making an argument based on his production during Utley's absence would make sense if, say, Utley missed 90 games and Burrell maintained that production level for all 90 games. But, alas, neither happened. He was the Phillies MVP during Utley's absence, but not the Phillies MVP overall, which is where the confusion comes in. Yeah, for instance, I’m not saying he was the MVP but rather that if someone argued that Burrell was the MVP of the Phillies due to his 2nd half production during significant injury stints by Hamels, Utley, and Victorino, they would not be complete Joe Morgan’s.

Utley missed July 27th to August 26th. In that span, Burrell was:

31-98, 8 2B, 8 HR, 21 RBI, 17 R, 17 BB, .316/.419/.643, 1.062 OPS

He definitely picked up the slack while Utley was on the shelf which would lead some people (not myself) to consider him the Phillies MVP. The problem with an assessment like that deals with his numbers once Utley returned. From August 28th until the end of the season:

22-105, 4 2B, 9 HR, 25 RBI, 21 R, 26 BB, .210/.358/.505, .863 OPS

Making an argument based on his production during Utley’s absence would make sense if, say, Utley missed 90 games and Burrell maintained that production level for all 90 games. But, alas, neither happened. He was the Phillies MVP during Utley’s absence, but not the Phillies MVP overall, which is where the confusion comes in.

]]> By: Dave Cameron http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32454 Dave Cameron Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:49:33 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-pat-burrell/#comment-32454 Oh, I understand where the Burrell-MVP sentiment would come from. It's the same place the Shannon Stewart-MVP sentiment came from several years ago. I just think the logic that gets someone to the place where they argue the affirmative on that issue is just demonstrably wrong. Oh, I understand where the Burrell-MVP sentiment would come from. It’s the same place the Shannon Stewart-MVP sentiment came from several years ago. I just think the logic that gets someone to the place where they argue the affirmative on that issue is just demonstrably wrong.

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