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		<title>By: A.M.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/best-pitching-performances-5-1/#comment-60728</link>
		<dc:creator>A.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did Jack Morris&#039; game 7 victory in 1991 rate?</description>
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		<title>By: TangoTiger</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/best-pitching-performances-5-1/#comment-54942</link>
		<dc:creator>TangoTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Click on my name for a couple of relevant links.  It&#039;s not a breezy read, so be forewarned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click on my name for a couple of relevant links.  It&#8217;s not a breezy read, so be forewarned.</p>
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		<title>By: TangoTiger</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/best-pitching-performances-5-1/#comment-54940</link>
		<dc:creator>TangoTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul captures it perfectly here.  WPA captures the performance relative to the timing.  Every time the pitcher can get out of an inning not allowing a run, then he keeps gaining WPA, starting with 0.05 wins in the first inning, and going up in the ninth inning.  The amount gained is directly proportional to the Leverage Index at the start of his inning.  Thus, he gains the most when the score is close.  I would not say necessarily that it&#039;s when it&#039;s a 0-0 game.  It might be a 1-0 game.  I&#039;m not sure.

WPA/LI (aka Situational Wins) is perfect for hitters, since it values each PA as &quot;1&quot;, which is really what we want to do, to make a fair comparison.

However, what we *really* want is something in-between WPA/LI and WPA for a pitcher.  A pitcher doesn&#039;t just come into a PA like a batter, but he creates the environment.  And so, each PA must be worth more the more runners are on base.  We really need to multiply the WPA/LI by the LI for the base/out state.  A bases empty situation has an LI of 0.7, while one with the bases loaded is say 3.0 times.  That&#039;s what you really want to do: WPA/LI * boLI.

For a season, a pitcher&#039;s boLI will come in pretty close to 1.  Even if it doesn&#039;t, the boLI of all the top pitchers will be close to each other so that they will all be similarly biased.

For a single game however, it might make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul captures it perfectly here.  WPA captures the performance relative to the timing.  Every time the pitcher can get out of an inning not allowing a run, then he keeps gaining WPA, starting with 0.05 wins in the first inning, and going up in the ninth inning.  The amount gained is directly proportional to the Leverage Index at the start of his inning.  Thus, he gains the most when the score is close.  I would not say necessarily that it&#8217;s when it&#8217;s a 0-0 game.  It might be a 1-0 game.  I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>WPA/LI (aka Situational Wins) is perfect for hitters, since it values each PA as &#8220;1&#8243;, which is really what we want to do, to make a fair comparison.</p>
<p>However, what we *really* want is something in-between WPA/LI and WPA for a pitcher.  A pitcher doesn&#8217;t just come into a PA like a batter, but he creates the environment.  And so, each PA must be worth more the more runners are on base.  We really need to multiply the WPA/LI by the LI for the base/out state.  A bases empty situation has an LI of 0.7, while one with the bases loaded is say 3.0 times.  That&#8217;s what you really want to do: WPA/LI * boLI.</p>
<p>For a season, a pitcher&#8217;s boLI will come in pretty close to 1.  Even if it doesn&#8217;t, the boLI of all the top pitchers will be close to each other so that they will all be similarly biased.</p>
<p>For a single game however, it might make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulDeReno</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/best-pitching-performances-5-1/#comment-53818</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulDeReno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thus, the highest possible WPA for a pitcher in a 9 inning game is a 1-0 complete game shutout with the pitcher on the visiting team and when the pitcher&#039;s team scores in the top of the 9th.  The pitcher will gain time increments that his team gives up again until the 9th inning, when it finally capitalizes.  Yet, the other team in the 9th will have a fighting chance, and the pitcher would have to finish them off.  If the pitcher were on the home team, he would not get that crucial &quot;finish him&quot; component; the batter would have taken care of that for him.  Also, if his team scored before the 9th, his contribution in WPA would be proportionally smaller, as the batter would have consumed much of the pitcher&#039;s time credits.  In a tie game, the WPA returns to around .5 at the end of every inning, because they each have the same (infinite) opportunities to score.  In a 1-0 game, the leading team creeps up in WPA at the end of every inning because the 27-out barrier helps the leading team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus, the highest possible WPA for a pitcher in a 9 inning game is a 1-0 complete game shutout with the pitcher on the visiting team and when the pitcher&#8217;s team scores in the top of the 9th.  The pitcher will gain time increments that his team gives up again until the 9th inning, when it finally capitalizes.  Yet, the other team in the 9th will have a fighting chance, and the pitcher would have to finish them off.  If the pitcher were on the home team, he would not get that crucial &#8220;finish him&#8221; component; the batter would have taken care of that for him.  Also, if his team scored before the 9th, his contribution in WPA would be proportionally smaller, as the batter would have consumed much of the pitcher&#8217;s time credits.  In a tie game, the WPA returns to around .5 at the end of every inning, because they each have the same (infinite) opportunities to score.  In a 1-0 game, the leading team creeps up in WPA at the end of every inning because the 27-out barrier helps the leading team.</p>
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		<title>By: SleepyCA</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/best-pitching-performances-5-1/#comment-53817</link>
		<dc:creator>SleepyCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting one:  Lindy McDaniel earned a win and 1.08 WPA pitching 13 innings in relief in 1973.  Nice.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET197308040.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting one:  Lindy McDaniel earned a win and 1.08 WPA pitching 13 innings in relief in 1973.  Nice.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET197308040.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET197308040.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: PaulDeReno</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulDeReno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that a list like this is near worthless.

If Tim Linsecum were to begin pitching the 3rd with the score tied at 0, walked the bases loaded, and then gave up a line-drive DP with a forceout at home, and a 395 foot fly ball that stays in the yard in dead center, the effect on WPA is the same as if he struck out the side in 9 pitches.  It goes from the probability of winning with the score tied when you&#039;re on the field to that same situation in your next turn at bat.  Regardless of what went on that inning, same result on the scoreboard = same WPA.

Of course, it&#039;s not totally meaningless, because if a pitcher is bad (results-wise), he loses WPA and has to get bailed out by the offense. Of course, if he&#039;s good, the offense has to stink it up for him to register a gaudy WPA.  Assume a scoreless tie.  If a pitcher pitches a 1-2-3 inning, his team has an extra turn at bat, so their chances of winning are at that point slightly higher.  If the offense blows it, the two teams return to equal footing, and the pitcher has to regain the lost WPA advantage of the extra inning.  Repeat the process 8 times, and you have the maximum WPA any pitcher can have in a 9-inning game &lt;i&gt;regardless of who wins&lt;/i&gt; provided the starter does not give up the winning run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that a list like this is near worthless.</p>
<p>If Tim Linsecum were to begin pitching the 3rd with the score tied at 0, walked the bases loaded, and then gave up a line-drive DP with a forceout at home, and a 395 foot fly ball that stays in the yard in dead center, the effect on WPA is the same as if he struck out the side in 9 pitches.  It goes from the probability of winning with the score tied when you&#8217;re on the field to that same situation in your next turn at bat.  Regardless of what went on that inning, same result on the scoreboard = same WPA.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s not totally meaningless, because if a pitcher is bad (results-wise), he loses WPA and has to get bailed out by the offense. Of course, if he&#8217;s good, the offense has to stink it up for him to register a gaudy WPA.  Assume a scoreless tie.  If a pitcher pitches a 1-2-3 inning, his team has an extra turn at bat, so their chances of winning are at that point slightly higher.  If the offense blows it, the two teams return to equal footing, and the pitcher has to regain the lost WPA advantage of the extra inning.  Repeat the process 8 times, and you have the maximum WPA any pitcher can have in a 9-inning game <i>regardless of who wins</i> provided the starter does not give up the winning run.</p>
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		<title>By: SleepyCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SleepyCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also hate that the links aren&#039;t underlined.  They are there, though, just hover the mouse over the text until you find them if you are interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also hate that the links aren&#8217;t underlined.  They are there, though, just hover the mouse over the text until you find them if you are interested.</p>
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		<title>By: SleepyCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SleepyCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the answer is, pitch a lot of innings in a 0-0 ball game and don&#039;t get pulled in the middle of an inning with men on base.  Alternatively, I guess, a reliever could come into a situation such as a tied game with the bases loaded and no outs in the bottom of the ninth, get out of it, then pitch &quot;x&quot; shutout innings.

I don&#039;t know where you&#039;d go to search single game WPA&#039;s, but using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pgl_finder.cgi#n1=&amp;as=result_pitcher&amp;offset=0&amp;st=&amp;WL=any&amp;team_lg=&amp;opp_lg=&amp;throws=any&amp;HV=any&amp;Role=anyGS&amp;DEC=any&amp;c1val=12&amp;c2val=1&amp;c3val=0&amp;c4val=0&amp;firstgames=&amp;firstteamgames=&amp;min_year_game=1970&amp;max_year_game=2008&amp;series=any&amp;series_game=any&amp;team_id=&amp;opp_id=&amp;game_site=&amp;orderby=date_game&amp;c1pgl=IPouts&amp;c1gtlt=gt&amp;c2pgl=R&amp;c2gtlt=lt&amp;c3pgl=&amp;c3gtlt=eq&amp;c4pgl=&amp;c4gtlt=eq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the first set of criteria&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;ve found a couple of historical &gt;1.0 WPA games.  frank tanana &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=1975-09-22&amp;team=Angels&amp;dh=0&amp;season=1975&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;threw 13 shutout innings&lt;/a&gt; on september 22, 1975, and ended up with a WPA of 1.132, and Tommy John &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=1983-09-14&amp;team=Angels&amp;dh=0&amp;season=1983&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had a game in 1983&lt;/a&gt; where he threw 13 shutout innings and came away with 1.217 WPA.  I only checked two of the games on that PI query, and both succeeded, so I&#039;m sure a number of other pitchers have done it, as well. 

OTOH, I&#039;d bet this is something we never again see, at least by the first set of criteria.  Mark Mulder&#039;s 2005 10IP CGSHO was only .832 WPA, and that is about the limit i see any modern pitcher throwing.

(hope those links worked ok- i hate not having a preview button here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer is, pitch a lot of innings in a 0-0 ball game and don&#8217;t get pulled in the middle of an inning with men on base.  Alternatively, I guess, a reliever could come into a situation such as a tied game with the bases loaded and no outs in the bottom of the ninth, get out of it, then pitch &#8220;x&#8221; shutout innings.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where you&#8217;d go to search single game WPA&#8217;s, but using <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pgl_finder.cgi#n1=&amp;as=result_pitcher&amp;offset=0&amp;st=&amp;WL=any&amp;team_lg=&amp;opp_lg=&amp;throws=any&amp;HV=any&amp;Role=anyGS&amp;DEC=any&amp;c1val=12&amp;c2val=1&amp;c3val=0&amp;c4val=0&amp;firstgames=&amp;firstteamgames=&amp;min_year_game=1970&amp;max_year_game=2008&amp;series=any&amp;series_game=any&amp;team_id=&amp;opp_id=&amp;game_site=&amp;orderby=date_game&amp;c1pgl=IPouts&amp;c1gtlt=gt&amp;c2pgl=R&amp;c2gtlt=lt&amp;c3pgl=&amp;c3gtlt=eq&amp;c4pgl=&amp;c4gtlt=eq" rel="nofollow">the first set of criteria</a>, I&#8217;ve found a couple of historical &gt;1.0 WPA games.  frank tanana <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=1975-09-22&amp;team=Angels&amp;dh=0&amp;season=1975" rel="nofollow">threw 13 shutout innings</a> on september 22, 1975, and ended up with a WPA of 1.132, and Tommy John <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=1983-09-14&amp;team=Angels&amp;dh=0&amp;season=1983" rel="nofollow">had a game in 1983</a> where he threw 13 shutout innings and came away with 1.217 WPA.  I only checked two of the games on that PI query, and both succeeded, so I&#8217;m sure a number of other pitchers have done it, as well. </p>
<p>OTOH, I&#8217;d bet this is something we never again see, at least by the first set of criteria.  Mark Mulder&#8217;s 2005 10IP CGSHO was only .832 WPA, and that is about the limit i see any modern pitcher throwing.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does WPA give an edge to pitchers that put themselves in sticky situations only to get themselves out of those said situations? If so thats a bit ridiculous. The fact that Zambrano and Lester missed this list because they were more than flawless is very, very strange. Am I wrong in that assumption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does WPA give an edge to pitchers that put themselves in sticky situations only to get themselves out of those said situations? If so thats a bit ridiculous. The fact that Zambrano and Lester missed this list because they were more than flawless is very, very strange. Am I wrong in that assumption?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does WPA ever consider pennant runs? I&#039;m wondering because Johan Santana pitched a game on the second to last day of the season where the Mets HAD to win it to stay alive. And he pitched flawlessly for a WPA of 0.564. Was the pennant race considered in the calculation of the WPA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does WPA ever consider pennant runs? I&#8217;m wondering because Johan Santana pitched a game on the second to last day of the season where the Mets HAD to win it to stay alive. And he pitched flawlessly for a WPA of 0.564. Was the pennant race considered in the calculation of the WPA?</p>
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