Comments on: Cardinals are Penny Wise http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cardinals-are-penny-wise/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:03:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: circlechange11 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cardinals-are-penny-wise/#comment-112732 circlechange11 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:32:09 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=12687#comment-112732 I can just see Tony saying with a smirk on his face, "Okay, here you go Dave ... Project # 174. Knock yourself out." We've shuffled around bottom rotation starters so often that it really doesn't seem to matter much whether it's Pooper, Marqrap, Hellmeyer, etc. Pinyata has done reasonably well. It just sorta hit me, that a guy can make 7M/yr for throwing 160 IP and being a bottom rotation starter. Wow! How baseball has changed? People once wondered whether Kirby was worth 2M/y. I can just see Tony saying with a smirk on his face, “Okay, here you go Dave … Project # 174. Knock yourself out.”

We’ve shuffled around bottom rotation starters so often that it really doesn’t seem to matter much whether it’s Pooper, Marqrap, Hellmeyer, etc. Pinyata has done reasonably well.

It just sorta hit me, that a guy can make 7M/yr for throwing 160 IP and being a bottom rotation starter. Wow! How baseball has changed? People once wondered whether Kirby was worth 2M/y.

]]> By: Felonius_Monk http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cardinals-are-penny-wise/#comment-112601 Felonius_Monk Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:32:09 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=12687#comment-112601 That is completely immaterial because he won't be a type A next season. He's not even in the B-range now, and so he'll need to have a career year to even sniff Type A, and, realistically, that's probably not likely. I think he's just covering his back. More likely he has a solid season, sneaks into type B, and the Cards get a nice supplemental pick for him. If he gets up to Type A, well, they've got their money's worth out of him (and more) anyhow as he's probably just put up a 5-6 WAR season on the cheap. That is completely immaterial because he won’t be a type A next season.

He’s not even in the B-range now, and so he’ll need to have a career year to even sniff Type A, and, realistically, that’s probably not likely. I think he’s just covering his back. More likely he has a solid season, sneaks into type B, and the Cards get a nice supplemental pick for him. If he gets up to Type A, well, they’ve got their money’s worth out of him (and more) anyhow as he’s probably just put up a 5-6 WAR season on the cheap.

]]> By: DWrek http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cardinals-are-penny-wise/#comment-112470 DWrek Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:43:13 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=12687#comment-112470 This is the exact type of moves the Cards need to be making. Its probably a bit high salary wise, but with it only being one year, theres hardly any risk. Pay a little more, lower the risk, get his contract out of the way of the way the Cadinals most important off season ever. This is the exact type of moves the Cards need to be making. Its probably a bit high salary wise, but with it only being one year, theres hardly any risk.
Pay a little more, lower the risk, get his contract out of the way of the way the Cadinals most important off season ever.

]]> By: Shi http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cardinals-are-penny-wise/#comment-112462 Shi Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:38:04 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=12687#comment-112462 thats true, but they saved money by making that deal. so i guess the question is how much did they save? hard to say how much more penny would have wanted if mozeliak didnt make the concession. also, how much is a late first round pick worth? and how likely is penny to attain type A status next year? interesting to think about. thats true, but they saved money by making that deal. so i guess the question is how much did they save? hard to say how much more penny would have wanted if mozeliak didnt make the concession. also, how much is a late first round pick worth? and how likely is penny to attain type A status next year? interesting to think about.

]]> By: RedBirdToo http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cardinals-are-penny-wise/#comment-112133 RedBirdToo Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:57:12 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=12687#comment-112133 Cards also agreed NOT to off Arb it he is a Type A free agent at the end of the next season. I think teams like the Cards are undervaluing this benefit because it provides them with quite a bit of leverage on these one year deals if they work out. All in all nice signing, fairly low to moderate risk given its a one year deal balanced by the total dollars that are still kind of high for a guy that may be their 4th starter, but could potentially add a lot of value. Cards also agreed NOT to off Arb it he is a Type A free agent at the end of the next season. I think teams like the Cards are undervaluing this benefit because it provides them with quite a bit of leverage on these one year deals if they work out. All in all nice signing, fairly low to moderate risk given its a one year deal balanced by the total dollars that are still kind of high for a guy that may be their 4th starter, but could potentially add a lot of value.

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