Comments on: Carl Pavano to the Twins http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:03:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kyle http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-90009 Kyle Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:33:11 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-90009 Mike- you are right. Karl- you are lolbad and your website, if it's full of awful analysis like this, deserves to be removed from the internet. Mike- you are right.

Karl- you are lolbad and your website, if it’s full of awful analysis like this, deserves to be removed from the internet.

]]> By: Nick http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-89884 Nick Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:16:56 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-89884 5-1, 2.17 ERA, 0.85 WHIP against the Tigers and White Sox this year. 5-1, 2.17 ERA, 0.85 WHIP against the Tigers and White Sox this year.

]]> By: rizzo http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-89804 rizzo Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:52:27 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-89804 Couple of quick thoughts - has his fastball ever been that good? This is only his 3rd worst season with the FB (using wFB/C) in his career. RH's are absolutely destroying him (13 HR's .547 slg.). My guess without seeing him much is that he's reluctant to throw change-ups much to RH's leaving him with essentially a slider and a lousy FB. He's throwing a lot of change-ups and has done moderately well against LH's so I assume that's his out pitch there but he's lacking one for RH's. Looks like he really walks a fine line, a boom or bust type of guy. This is more interesting than scientific - but in his last 10 starts he has no starts allowing 3-4 runs. You'd think that would be where a fairly high percentage of starts would cluster..... or maybe i'm just making that up Couple of quick thoughts – has his fastball ever been that good? This is only his 3rd worst season with the FB (using wFB/C) in his career.

RH’s are absolutely destroying him (13 HR’s .547 slg.). My guess without seeing him much is that he’s reluctant to throw change-ups much to RH’s leaving him with essentially a slider and a lousy FB. He’s throwing a lot of change-ups and has done moderately well against LH’s so I assume that’s his out pitch there but he’s lacking one for RH’s.

Looks like he really walks a fine line, a boom or bust type of guy. This is more interesting than scientific – but in his last 10 starts he has no starts allowing 3-4 runs. You’d think that would be where a fairly high percentage of starts would cluster….. or maybe i’m just making that up

]]> By: Mike I http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-89803 Mike I Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:52:19 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-89803 "I'm worried that Pavano won't get the run support to be very effective in the brutal AL Central." There are so many things wrong with this statement. And I have nothing to say about your "analysis" of Pavano's September performances. Just take a look at Pavano's splits page on BaseballReference. Suffice it to say I won't be visiting your site, Karl. “I’m worried that Pavano won’t get the run support to be very effective in the brutal AL Central.”

There are so many things wrong with this statement. And I have nothing to say about your “analysis” of Pavano’s September performances. Just take a look at Pavano’s splits page on BaseballReference. Suffice it to say I won’t be visiting your site, Karl.

]]> By: Tribe Fan http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-89802 Tribe Fan Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:51:58 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-89802 Pavano has either put together a quality start or has been shelled. In the games where he has been shelled, he leaves his fastball up and the opposing team hammers it. If he keeps the fastball knee high, he puts together a good performance. His first start of the season against Texas is a prime example of what happens when he leaves the ball up. Pavano has either put together a quality start or has been shelled. In the games where he has been shelled, he leaves his fastball up and the opposing team hammers it. If he keeps the fastball knee high, he puts together a good performance. His first start of the season against Texas is a prime example of what happens when he leaves the ball up.

]]> By: Karl http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-89799 Karl Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:37:04 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-89799 Had no idea his fastball was getting destroyed like that (“worth” 17 runs below average). I've been looking over Pavano's stats and this doesn't look like it will end well: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3784&type=pitching3&three=1 In 2006-2008, Pavano falls apart in September (6.94 ERA but granted that's just 23 innings). He pitched at the Metrodome once and fared OK but the sample size is too small to really know. I'm worried that Pavano won't get the run support to be very effective in the brutal AL Central. I'm really just glad Pavano is still in the league. He never seemed the same after the Yankee years. Maybe it was thin-skin but he didn't seem comfortable as he did at Florida. Fortunately, the smaller Minnesota market will keep the glare off him. Karl Moats FantasySportsAtLunch.com, Writer Check out my latest post: The Say (Jason) Heyward Kid http://fantasysportsatlunch.com/8/2009/the-say-heyward-kid Love/Hate It? Email me at tips@fantasysportslunch.com Had no idea his fastball was getting destroyed like that (“worth” 17 runs below average). I’ve been looking over Pavano’s stats and this doesn’t look like it will end well: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3784&type=pitching3&three=1 In 2006-2008, Pavano falls apart in September (6.94 ERA but granted that’s just 23 innings). He pitched at the Metrodome once and fared OK but the sample size is too small to really know. I’m worried that Pavano won’t get the run support to be very effective in the brutal AL Central.

I’m really just glad Pavano is still in the league. He never seemed the same after the Yankee years. Maybe it was thin-skin but he didn’t seem comfortable as he did at Florida. Fortunately, the smaller Minnesota market will keep the glare off him.

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]]> By: Mike I http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carl-pavano-to-the-twins/#comment-89791 Mike I Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:07:26 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7606#comment-89791 I'm completely shocked by the Twins' FO competency in this move. Pavano immediately becomes the Twins 2nd best starter for the rest of the year, at a time when the team really needed a starting pitching upgrade. And they got him for (presumably) almost nothing. Did Bill Smith go out and hire a sabermetrician while we weren't looking? I’m completely shocked by the Twins’ FO competency in this move. Pavano immediately becomes the Twins 2nd best starter for the rest of the year, at a time when the team really needed a starting pitching upgrade. And they got him for (presumably) almost nothing. Did Bill Smith go out and hire a sabermetrician while we weren’t looking?

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