Comments on: Cliff Lee To Philadelphia

By: Logan

Logan — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:52:12 +0000

Bump. What a gem.

By: neuter_your_dogma

neuter_your_dogma — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:59:27 +0000

Phillies fan here. Good thing we did this deal instead of the Dodgers.

By: Kyle Boddy

Kyle Boddy — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:31:32 +0000

“I think the Indians have problems evaluating talent as none of the players they received in return are remotely major league ready or have extremely plus WARs.”

The latter part would be pretty tough to do considering NONE of them have accrued service time.

And who cares if they are major league ready? Do the Indians need to win now? That’s why it would matter.

Shapiro himself said that his analysis says high-ceiling young players are better values than semi-established players who are “league ready.”

By: Kyle Boddy

Kyle Boddy — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:29:29 +0000

“San Francisco gave up a higher rated player for Freddy Sanchez than any of the four players that Cleveland received.”

Are you suggesting Cleveland should have traded Cliff Lee to resident idiot Brian Sabean? Good idea, except he doesn’t need pitching (perhaps obviously, given what he traded for Sanchez). These types of arguments are awful.

Cliff Lee does not hold the same value to all teams. Furthermore, comparing the return to what JP Riccardi’s wants for Halladay in his wet dreams is ridiculous.

By: Posiguy

Posiguy — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:05:02 +0000

Dave, I agree with your analysis wholeheartedly. The Indians got completely hosed on this deal and could have gotten more knowing what they were willing to offer for Halladay. I think the Indians have problems evaluating talent as none of the players they received in return are remotely major league ready or have extremely plus WARs.

By: Edwin Nelson

Edwin Nelson — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:58:07 +0000

It’s just a salary dump and a signal the the tribe is finished and starting over.

How do you start over. Not by placing your hopes in the lap of one or two prospects because prospects flame out. Often. The point is to establish a quantity of talent and see who sticks, then use the excess to trade for what you need. That’s exactly how the Phillies got to where they are now. Good trade for both teams.

By: ryan

ryan — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:41:33 +0000

Cliff Lee isn’t exactly going to the Hall of Fame, he’s had 2 good seasons in his career. He’s a good pitcher (with a career WHIP over 1.30 that doesn’t K many people) but, most of you are treating him like HE IS Roy Halladay. Carrasco and Marson are good prospects. All the bashing on this trade seems a little overboard.

By: Jesus

Jesus — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:05 +0000

I think it’s also fair to note that, for what it’s worth, Cliff Lee is a year and a half removed from being really, really, really, really, really, really bad. Apparently there’s a new version of Cliff Lee out there now, and that’s held up for 375 innings (more like 220 innings, and we’ve seen a pretty decent version for the last 120 or so) but I’m still not sold. Sure, right now this looks like an awesome deal for the Phillies, I guess, but I’m also glad that my favorite team didn’t give up anything for him.

I just think maybe Shapiro shouldn’t immediately be ripped a new one for dealing a guy with a career average 2.5 K/BB. Perhaps Lee suddenly just figured out how to not walk people at all, and how to keep giving up just as many fly balls, yet 1/3 of the home runs he did as a 28 year old. But if so, perhaps the Royals should shell out for whatever this miracle working AA pitching coach the Indians are hiding down there and see what he can do with Ponson.

By: Rays Fan

Rays Fan — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:50:22 +0000

The brass in Cleveland will wonder why all those fas will look like seats. When is BB going to realize it is all about competition ans not 5-6 select clubs?

By: H

Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:43:00 +0000

I don’t think that that’s Dave’s point as it pertains to the Tribe. I think his point is that, if they had decided to trade Lee, they should have gotten more for him, especially when considering they also threw in Ben Francisco. As we have since learned, San Francisco gave up a higher rated player for Freddy Sanchez than any of the four players that Cleveland received.