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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-191074</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You clearly have no clue about the Mets farm system. And I don&#039;t blame you, I don&#039;t know other team&#039;s systems well either, but I dont claim to know that they &quot;have no prospects that&#039;d help the Mariners&quot;. 

Their farm system has improved INCREDIBLY in the last couple of year and they have many prosects that would interest the Mariners.

Mejia, Thole, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Evans, Havens, Flores, F-Mart, Holt...

Do some research before you open your ignorant mouth next time.

Sorry, but I&#039;m sick of hearing people just state that the Mets have no prospects without knowing anything. Where do you think Ike Davis and Ruben Tejada came from this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You clearly have no clue about the Mets farm system. And I don&#8217;t blame you, I don&#8217;t know other team&#8217;s systems well either, but I dont claim to know that they &#8220;have no prospects that&#8217;d help the Mariners&#8221;. </p>
<p>Their farm system has improved INCREDIBLY in the last couple of year and they have many prosects that would interest the Mariners.</p>
<p>Mejia, Thole, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Evans, Havens, Flores, F-Mart, Holt&#8230;</p>
<p>Do some research before you open your ignorant mouth next time.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I&#8217;m sick of hearing people just state that the Mets have no prospects without knowing anything. Where do you think Ike Davis and Ruben Tejada came from this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-188914</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most logical post I have seen on here yet. Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most logical post I have seen on here yet. Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-188817</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the Rays are going to go all out, why not trade for a position player and not a pitcher, since offense is more of a weakness on that team anyway. And, that’s where their positional needs are long term anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What position player is available that improves them more than Lee would?

Also, with Lee in the rotation, how many fewer runs do the Rays need to score per game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the Rays are going to go all out, why not trade for a position player and not a pitcher, since offense is more of a weakness on that team anyway. And, that’s where their positional needs are long term anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>What position player is available that improves them more than Lee would?</p>
<p>Also, with Lee in the rotation, how many fewer runs do the Rays need to score per game?</p>
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		<title>By: JOE BOYER</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-188808</link>
		<dc:creator>JOE BOYER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JENRY MEIJA MOTHER FUCKERS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JENRY MEIJA MOTHER FUCKERS!</p>
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		<title>By: Penn94</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-185104</link>
		<dc:creator>Penn94</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think fewer GM&#039;s make calculations of WAR and think more like this article lays out.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/baseball_tradin_1.php

Basically, for half a year of Lee, a team would pay $15 million for Lee.  He is owed $5, so his value is $10.  Plus, the Mariners would save $5 million from trading him, another reason to make the move.

On behalf of the Mets, I am offering Thole, Stoner, Niuewenheis and your choice of Familia, Gee or Holt.  If you don&#039;t like it, I go to Arizona and put Mejia in a deal to get Haren, who is more valuable than Lee, given his contract (even though Lee is the better pitcher now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think fewer GM&#8217;s make calculations of WAR and think more like this article lays out.<br />
<a href="http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/baseball_tradin_1.php" rel="nofollow">http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/baseball_tradin_1.php</a></p>
<p>Basically, for half a year of Lee, a team would pay $15 million for Lee.  He is owed $5, so his value is $10.  Plus, the Mariners would save $5 million from trading him, another reason to make the move.</p>
<p>On behalf of the Mets, I am offering Thole, Stoner, Niuewenheis and your choice of Familia, Gee or Holt.  If you don&#8217;t like it, I go to Arizona and put Mejia in a deal to get Haren, who is more valuable than Lee, given his contract (even though Lee is the better pitcher now).</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-184525</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff Lee is worth 20 million for exactly half a season?  Really?  The few teams who could afford to resign him have their pitching rotations locked up(or would have to admit failure.)  I don&#039;t see the Red Sox dropping Lester, Beckett(just signed huge deal), Lackey(admit failure), or Buchholz from their rotation.  The Yankees have Phil Hughes and Pettitte as their best pitchers right now, and with Sabathia and Burnett(tons of money owed for years to both of them), why would they take Lee?

Maybe the Tigers would do it since after saying they were going to cut salary, they actually showed they were bluffing.  But the Mariners will not get the type of product you got from the Astros for Randy Johnson.  And Lee isn&#039;t a future hall of famer with a 100 mph fastball.  He&#039;s a very good pitcher, but will he get teams that are in contention(and looking for an ace pitcher)over the hump?  The only team who is willing to trade for him knowing they can resign him is the Mets, and the Mets have no prospects that&#039;d help the Mariners...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff Lee is worth 20 million for exactly half a season?  Really?  The few teams who could afford to resign him have their pitching rotations locked up(or would have to admit failure.)  I don&#8217;t see the Red Sox dropping Lester, Beckett(just signed huge deal), Lackey(admit failure), or Buchholz from their rotation.  The Yankees have Phil Hughes and Pettitte as their best pitchers right now, and with Sabathia and Burnett(tons of money owed for years to both of them), why would they take Lee?</p>
<p>Maybe the Tigers would do it since after saying they were going to cut salary, they actually showed they were bluffing.  But the Mariners will not get the type of product you got from the Astros for Randy Johnson.  And Lee isn&#8217;t a future hall of famer with a 100 mph fastball.  He&#8217;s a very good pitcher, but will he get teams that are in contention(and looking for an ace pitcher)over the hump?  The only team who is willing to trade for him knowing they can resign him is the Mets, and the Mets have no prospects that&#8217;d help the Mariners&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jahowa</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-184523</link>
		<dc:creator>Jahowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*And that is assuming that the M&#039;s wouldn&#039;t demand Aaron Hicks over Revere in the Ramos&#124;Bibson Deal.

*The M&#039;s are going to want at least 3 top 10 prospects from whatever team they are dealing with, or they will just hold onto Lee and cash in the draft picks when he signs elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*And that is assuming that the M&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t demand Aaron Hicks over Revere in the Ramos|Bibson Deal.</p>
<p>*The M&#8217;s are going to want at least 3 top 10 prospects from whatever team they are dealing with, or they will just hold onto Lee and cash in the draft picks when he signs elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Jahowa</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lees-trade-value/#comment-184518</link>
		<dc:creator>Jahowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Deolis Guerra can&#039;t even get his fastball into the 90&#039;s anymore.  He is non tradeable commodity.  His delivery is terrible and he has never been able to locate. I know you wanna pawn him off so the Johan trade doesn&#039;t look so bad, but it ain&#039;t happening.

*I&#039;d be way more interested in Loek Van Mil or Carlos Gutierrez ahead of Slama if I&#039;m Jack Z. Both have big time power arms that scout&#039;s love, and Jack is scout at heart.

*Everybody is forgetting that RIGHT NOW he is the best LHP in the league (Sorry Lester).

*It would have to be a package like Wilson Ramos\Ben Revere and Kyle Gibson at the very least, because another contender will be willing to pay more in prospects for the best LHP in baseball.  

*I don&#039;t think the Twins would make that trade, and there is no way that Seattle would take anything less than Kyle Gibson as far as a pitching prospect is concerned.

*In other words Lee ain&#039;t goin to the Twins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Deolis Guerra can&#8217;t even get his fastball into the 90&#8242;s anymore.  He is non tradeable commodity.  His delivery is terrible and he has never been able to locate. I know you wanna pawn him off so the Johan trade doesn&#8217;t look so bad, but it ain&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>*I&#8217;d be way more interested in Loek Van Mil or Carlos Gutierrez ahead of Slama if I&#8217;m Jack Z. Both have big time power arms that scout&#8217;s love, and Jack is scout at heart.</p>
<p>*Everybody is forgetting that RIGHT NOW he is the best LHP in the league (Sorry Lester).</p>
<p>*It would have to be a package like Wilson Ramos\Ben Revere and Kyle Gibson at the very least, because another contender will be willing to pay more in prospects for the best LHP in baseball.  </p>
<p>*I don&#8217;t think the Twins would make that trade, and there is no way that Seattle would take anything less than Kyle Gibson as far as a pitching prospect is concerned.</p>
<p>*In other words Lee ain&#8217;t goin to the Twins.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Phils traded Lee this year they were giving up 1 year of Lee + the comp picks...if the calculated value for 1/2 year of lee + the comp picks is truly 15-20mil does that imply the  Mariners gave up ~20-25Mil in propects when they made the trade? (assuming the extra 1/2 year of Lee is at least another 5mil)

It doesn&#039;t seem like they did, but I&#039;m less familiar with those prospects... were any of them even in your top 100 list? I know they showed up on the top10 org lists, but Philly&#039;s system is pretty thin. Unless the SEA-PHI deal was one-sided shouldn&#039;t SEA expect basically 3 similar prospects minus a half year&#039;s worth of Lee (which would seem to mean dropping 1 or 2 of the three prospects down a tier in quality, or possible eliminating one altogether)

The conclusion was a 25-75 type player or a top 10 pitching prospect... but did any of the Mariner prospects fit that bill? (and that was for a full year of Lee)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Phils traded Lee this year they were giving up 1 year of Lee + the comp picks&#8230;if the calculated value for 1/2 year of lee + the comp picks is truly 15-20mil does that imply the  Mariners gave up ~20-25Mil in propects when they made the trade? (assuming the extra 1/2 year of Lee is at least another 5mil)</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem like they did, but I&#8217;m less familiar with those prospects&#8230; were any of them even in your top 100 list? I know they showed up on the top10 org lists, but Philly&#8217;s system is pretty thin. Unless the SEA-PHI deal was one-sided shouldn&#8217;t SEA expect basically 3 similar prospects minus a half year&#8217;s worth of Lee (which would seem to mean dropping 1 or 2 of the three prospects down a tier in quality, or possible eliminating one altogether)</p>
<p>The conclusion was a 25-75 type player or a top 10 pitching prospect&#8230; but did any of the Mariner prospects fit that bill? (and that was for a full year of Lee)</p>
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		<title>By: BX</title>
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		<dc:creator>BX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need more lawn darts in Safeco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need more lawn darts in Safeco.</p>
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