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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Forget Ankiel&#8217;s Story</title>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-117525</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some incredibly DUMB comments being made about HGH in this thread.

HGH is &quot;magic&quot;. Whereas steroids improve muscle recovery, leading to muscle &amp; strength gains, HGH repairs tendons, ligaments, etc ... everything ... even has been shown to improve eyesight.

So, what would a professional athlete gain from stronger connective tissue, better eyesight, more muscle and strength?

There is a great article out there by a cyclist who experimented with HGH, and the dramatic results he saw in his overall health and development. As soon as it is reasonably priced, all guys that are in the 40&#039;s through 60&#039;s will be taking some version of it as a &quot;get/stay young&quot; formula (currently called &quot;hormone rpelacement therapy&quot;. It is also VERY evident, that some doctor&#039;s lack in the morality department and will prescribe HGH for anything and everything (or has everyone forgotten all of the clients like Matthews Jr, Holyfield, etc from the major bust in Florida?)

But, yes, as everyone from athletes to bodybuilders can tell you, HGH is &quot;magic&quot;, and better yet, it&#039;s not &quot;testable&quot; because it&#039;s a naturally occurring hormone.

I am simply amazed at the lack of knowledge here on HGH. It&#039;s THE ped.

A lot of folks hand-wave off the idea that PEDs make a LOT of difference and I do NOT understand why? Do they know something athlete&#039;s don;t? They certainly think so. But, the behavior of the athletes indicates otherwise. Athletes go to extreme lengths and take career-jeopardizing risks in order to obtain and use PEDs. Why? Because they don;t make a difference? Or because they can make all the difference? I mean, like duh (as the kids say).

Stronger contact, better eyesight, healthier connective tissue, stronger muscles, higher hormone levels, etc ... I mean why would an baseball player want any of that?

I love Ankiel, I love the Cardinals, but the HGH use is problematic, especially since much of his appeal is in his increased power numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some incredibly DUMB comments being made about HGH in this thread.</p>
<p>HGH is &#8220;magic&#8221;. Whereas steroids improve muscle recovery, leading to muscle &amp; strength gains, HGH repairs tendons, ligaments, etc &#8230; everything &#8230; even has been shown to improve eyesight.</p>
<p>So, what would a professional athlete gain from stronger connective tissue, better eyesight, more muscle and strength?</p>
<p>There is a great article out there by a cyclist who experimented with HGH, and the dramatic results he saw in his overall health and development. As soon as it is reasonably priced, all guys that are in the 40&#8242;s through 60&#8242;s will be taking some version of it as a &#8220;get/stay young&#8221; formula (currently called &#8220;hormone rpelacement therapy&#8221;. It is also VERY evident, that some doctor&#8217;s lack in the morality department and will prescribe HGH for anything and everything (or has everyone forgotten all of the clients like Matthews Jr, Holyfield, etc from the major bust in Florida?)</p>
<p>But, yes, as everyone from athletes to bodybuilders can tell you, HGH is &#8220;magic&#8221;, and better yet, it&#8217;s not &#8220;testable&#8221; because it&#8217;s a naturally occurring hormone.</p>
<p>I am simply amazed at the lack of knowledge here on HGH. It&#8217;s THE ped.</p>
<p>A lot of folks hand-wave off the idea that PEDs make a LOT of difference and I do NOT understand why? Do they know something athlete&#8217;s don;t? They certainly think so. But, the behavior of the athletes indicates otherwise. Athletes go to extreme lengths and take career-jeopardizing risks in order to obtain and use PEDs. Why? Because they don;t make a difference? Or because they can make all the difference? I mean, like duh (as the kids say).</p>
<p>Stronger contact, better eyesight, healthier connective tissue, stronger muscles, higher hormone levels, etc &#8230; I mean why would an baseball player want any of that?</p>
<p>I love Ankiel, I love the Cardinals, but the HGH use is problematic, especially since much of his appeal is in his increased power numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric Balthrop</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-117509</link>
		<dc:creator>Cedric Balthrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for asking but is there a technique to stop spam?  My sites are getting hammered lately with spam.  I have heard about akismet but that doesn&#039;t do it did you know of any other suggestions?  : ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for asking but is there a technique to stop spam?  My sites are getting hammered lately with spam.  I have heard about akismet but that doesn&#8217;t do it did you know of any other suggestions?  : ).</p>
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		<title>By: PhD Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhD Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some evidence that Babe Ruth used horse steroids he got from his ownership in a horse track in NYC.  If he took the horse steroids he would have consumed it orally.  

Nonetheless, Ankiel is a juicer and should always be regarded in the same club as Barry Bonds and Aroid!.  Remember Bonds only did HGH like Ankiel.  They are guys who used science to get a big paycheck and likely shortened their lives while doing so... But if its cheating then it is cheating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some evidence that Babe Ruth used horse steroids he got from his ownership in a horse track in NYC.  If he took the horse steroids he would have consumed it orally.  </p>
<p>Nonetheless, Ankiel is a juicer and should always be regarded in the same club as Barry Bonds and Aroid!.  Remember Bonds only did HGH like Ankiel.  They are guys who used science to get a big paycheck and likely shortened their lives while doing so&#8230; But if its cheating then it is cheating.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-74656</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 05:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should give references for their HGH claims. It would make it easier for people to sort out what is what on this issue.
According to Wikipedia: 
HGH has been shown to make muscles leaner, but it has not been demonstrated to make muscles stronger. 
It&#039;s unclear whether or not HGH makes muscles larger.
HGH promotes resistance or faster repair of injuries.
&quot;...supplying human growth hormone for athletic purposes is illegal in the U.S.&quot;

Then, fair or not, taking HGH after Tommy John surgery so that you can get back on the mound quicker would be illegal (assuming the Wikipedia article is sourced accurately).

Also, if you know your baseball drug policy history, then you know that on June 7, 1991, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to each team and the players union that stated: &quot;The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited ... This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs ... including steroids.&quot; Treatment and penalties were outlined.

According to this Yahoo! Sports story:  http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-hgh061206
&quot;Even though hGH is not classified as a controlled substance like anabolic steroids, it remains illegal to possess and use in all but three cases: short stature in children, wasting diseases such as AIDS and growth hormone deficiency in adults.&quot;

Therefore, HGH use was in violation of MLB&#039;s drug policy. 

My thoughts:
Something that always gets overlooked in the performance enhancement debate is the extensiveness of a player&#039;s use. Based on the information above and the fact that Ankiel used HGH for one year (during which he pitched all of 10 major league innings) it is extremely unlikely that his performance was actually enhanced in any meaningful way.

In a lot of ways, Ankiel use of HGH is like a hitter&#039;s use of a corked bat. Both are against the rules (aka cheating). Both have no meaningful effect on performance other than perhaps THINKING you have an edge. How much that matters... who knows?

Bottom line: Was Ankiel&#039;s performance enhanced by HGH? Almost certainly not. Did Ankiel cheat? Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should give references for their HGH claims. It would make it easier for people to sort out what is what on this issue.<br />
According to Wikipedia:<br />
HGH has been shown to make muscles leaner, but it has not been demonstrated to make muscles stronger.<br />
It&#8217;s unclear whether or not HGH makes muscles larger.<br />
HGH promotes resistance or faster repair of injuries.<br />
&#8220;&#8230;supplying human growth hormone for athletic purposes is illegal in the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, fair or not, taking HGH after Tommy John surgery so that you can get back on the mound quicker would be illegal (assuming the Wikipedia article is sourced accurately).</p>
<p>Also, if you know your baseball drug policy history, then you know that on June 7, 1991, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to each team and the players union that stated: &#8220;The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited &#8230; This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs &#8230; including steroids.&#8221; Treatment and penalties were outlined.</p>
<p>According to this Yahoo! Sports story:  <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-hgh061206" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-hgh061206</a><br />
&#8220;Even though hGH is not classified as a controlled substance like anabolic steroids, it remains illegal to possess and use in all but three cases: short stature in children, wasting diseases such as AIDS and growth hormone deficiency in adults.&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, HGH use was in violation of MLB&#8217;s drug policy. </p>
<p>My thoughts:<br />
Something that always gets overlooked in the performance enhancement debate is the extensiveness of a player&#8217;s use. Based on the information above and the fact that Ankiel used HGH for one year (during which he pitched all of 10 major league innings) it is extremely unlikely that his performance was actually enhanced in any meaningful way.</p>
<p>In a lot of ways, Ankiel use of HGH is like a hitter&#8217;s use of a corked bat. Both are against the rules (aka cheating). Both have no meaningful effect on performance other than perhaps THINKING you have an edge. How much that matters&#8230; who knows?</p>
<p>Bottom line: Was Ankiel&#8217;s performance enhanced by HGH? Almost certainly not. Did Ankiel cheat? Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-73607</link>
		<dc:creator>Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That must be why he isn&#039;t in the Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That must be why he isn&#8217;t in the Hall.</p>
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		<title>By: BR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If taking prescribed medication to accelerate the healing process while on the DL is cheating then what exactly is TJ surgery itself? I would call a procedure that replaces a ligament with one that is much stronger than even the pre-injury one a performance enhancement. Guys often regain velocity they haven&#039;t seen in years. If Andruw Jones had a procedure (take away his fork?) that gave him his bat speed from 5 years ago that wouldn&#039;t be cheating? If you can show me he was an active MLB player using something that clearly enhances performance it to gain an advantage then that&#039;s one thing, but taking legal medication to recover from major surgery is another thing entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If taking prescribed medication to accelerate the healing process while on the DL is cheating then what exactly is TJ surgery itself? I would call a procedure that replaces a ligament with one that is much stronger than even the pre-injury one a performance enhancement. Guys often regain velocity they haven&#8217;t seen in years. If Andruw Jones had a procedure (take away his fork?) that gave him his bat speed from 5 years ago that wouldn&#8217;t be cheating? If you can show me he was an active MLB player using something that clearly enhances performance it to gain an advantage then that&#8217;s one thing, but taking legal medication to recover from major surgery is another thing entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: R M</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-73496</link>
		<dc:creator>R M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to switch back to pitching....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to switch back to pitching&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: R M</title>
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		<dc:creator>R M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said above, if HGH could do all the things these people say it does they would just call it magic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said above, if HGH could do all the things these people say it does they would just call it magic!</p>
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		<title>By: R M</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-73494</link>
		<dc:creator>R M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow....now HGH gives you the hitting skills to put up a .360 wOBA in the big leagues?  They should call that stuff magic, not HGH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;.now HGH gives you the hitting skills to put up a .360 wOBA in the big leagues?  They should call that stuff magic, not HGH!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-forget-ankiels-story/#comment-73473</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smoky Joe Wood used steroids. True story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoky Joe Wood used steroids. True story.</p>
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