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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-let-cincy-surprise-you/#comment-224892</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has turned out to be pretty interesting.

To date, the Reds have allowed 505 runs, the Astros 567, so CAIRO even underestimated the runs allowed differential between the Reds and Astros it seems (the prediction was for 50 runs).

But the xfip of the Astros&#039; starters is 4.02, the Reds&#039;s starters are at 4.53.  The Astro starters&#039; fip is 3.75, the Reds 4.44.

There is a bullpen differential, but the real difference must be fielding.  Reds team UZR is +36.9, Astros -18.5.  Carlos Lee, Berkman, Keppinger...yeah, that makes sense.

The Astros indeed appear to have had a better starting staff than the Reds this year.  The Reds were just much better fielding the ball (as well as at scoring runs).  Janish, Rolen, Phillips, Stubbs.  Makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has turned out to be pretty interesting.</p>
<p>To date, the Reds have allowed 505 runs, the Astros 567, so CAIRO even underestimated the runs allowed differential between the Reds and Astros it seems (the prediction was for 50 runs).</p>
<p>But the xfip of the Astros&#8217; starters is 4.02, the Reds&#8217;s starters are at 4.53.  The Astro starters&#8217; fip is 3.75, the Reds 4.44.</p>
<p>There is a bullpen differential, but the real difference must be fielding.  Reds team UZR is +36.9, Astros -18.5.  Carlos Lee, Berkman, Keppinger&#8230;yeah, that makes sense.</p>
<p>The Astros indeed appear to have had a better starting staff than the Reds this year.  The Reds were just much better fielding the ball (as well as at scoring runs).  Janish, Rolen, Phillips, Stubbs.  Makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health will be the biggest factor as to how much the Reds improve.  Last year Votto was out for a long time and so was Bruce and Hernandez.  Not to mention all the ab&#039;s taveras garnered (it was a long time into the season before the Reds were playing Stubbs)  I&#039;m not sure we ever played a full game with all of our starters but since the Reds married Rolen look at the record.  E.E. didn&#039;t work for us and it is a prime example of addition by subtraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health will be the biggest factor as to how much the Reds improve.  Last year Votto was out for a long time and so was Bruce and Hernandez.  Not to mention all the ab&#8217;s taveras garnered (it was a long time into the season before the Reds were playing Stubbs)  I&#8217;m not sure we ever played a full game with all of our starters but since the Reds married Rolen look at the record.  E.E. didn&#8217;t work for us and it is a prime example of addition by subtraction.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dont-let-cincy-surprise-you/#comment-128047</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felonious, I thought of that, the bullpens and the fielders.  If you look at the CHONE runs predictions on a per 9 inning basis, the teams are roughly even, with the Reds main 5 doing it over more prospective innings, so there is a fielding difference (not sure if that was before the teams changed their shortstops from janish to Cabrera and Tejada to manzella apparently, or if that even factors in).

To get Houston up towards 162 starts based on CHONE, you need to toss 27 Moehler starts up there as well, which brings them to 154 starts from 6 starters. CHONE also projects 22 starts for Volquez.  That gets Cincy to 160 starts.  That ain&#039;t gonna happen.  But if Cairo is expecting about that many starts for Volquez and for Moehler, Houston would be slightly behind in runs allowed per 9 from their starting staffs, with Houston slightly more reliant on its bullpen to make up a slight innings deficit to the Cincy projections.

But that would mean Cincy&#039;s bullpen would still have to be 30-40 runs better.

Cincy won&#039;t get very many Volquez starts this year.  He had surgery in August last year, so at best I could see 10-12 starts.  Other starts might come from Maloney, etc.  And if Houston doesn&#039;t need or have Moehler start more than a few, the bullpen advantage needed by Cincy to get to allow 50 fewer runs than Houston as per CAIRO needs to be a lot.

Cordero over Lyon, agreed.  Masset over Lindstrom.  Although Gervacio looks promising (check out his ability to get swinging strikes).

All in all, I could see Cincy projecting a little better in run prevention, but 50 runs is quite a lot.  I suppose I could go through every pitcher including relievers and see how CHONE projects it.

It&#039;ll be interesting to see how it plays out.  Paulino 2009 xfip was way below his e.r.a., for example.  More than 2 runs.  Be interesting to see if 1) they give him and Norris a starting job over Moehler and 2) if they can keep the homer totals down.  Is he really that unlucky on flyball/homer rates, or is he just tossing batting practice some days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felonious, I thought of that, the bullpens and the fielders.  If you look at the CHONE runs predictions on a per 9 inning basis, the teams are roughly even, with the Reds main 5 doing it over more prospective innings, so there is a fielding difference (not sure if that was before the teams changed their shortstops from janish to Cabrera and Tejada to manzella apparently, or if that even factors in).</p>
<p>To get Houston up towards 162 starts based on CHONE, you need to toss 27 Moehler starts up there as well, which brings them to 154 starts from 6 starters. CHONE also projects 22 starts for Volquez.  That gets Cincy to 160 starts.  That ain&#8217;t gonna happen.  But if Cairo is expecting about that many starts for Volquez and for Moehler, Houston would be slightly behind in runs allowed per 9 from their starting staffs, with Houston slightly more reliant on its bullpen to make up a slight innings deficit to the Cincy projections.</p>
<p>But that would mean Cincy&#8217;s bullpen would still have to be 30-40 runs better.</p>
<p>Cincy won&#8217;t get very many Volquez starts this year.  He had surgery in August last year, so at best I could see 10-12 starts.  Other starts might come from Maloney, etc.  And if Houston doesn&#8217;t need or have Moehler start more than a few, the bullpen advantage needed by Cincy to get to allow 50 fewer runs than Houston as per CAIRO needs to be a lot.</p>
<p>Cordero over Lyon, agreed.  Masset over Lindstrom.  Although Gervacio looks promising (check out his ability to get swinging strikes).</p>
<p>All in all, I could see Cincy projecting a little better in run prevention, but 50 runs is quite a lot.  I suppose I could go through every pitcher including relievers and see how CHONE projects it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how it plays out.  Paulino 2009 xfip was way below his e.r.a., for example.  More than 2 runs.  Be interesting to see if 1) they give him and Norris a starting job over Moehler and 2) if they can keep the homer totals down.  Is he really that unlucky on flyball/homer rates, or is he just tossing batting practice some days?</p>
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		<title>By: adohaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>adohaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let the [Pirates] surprise you

hmm not so sure about that</description>
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<p>hmm not so sure about that</p>
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		<title>By: Felonius_Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felonius_Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s interesting that the CAIRO team projections Dave linked to in his projections vs predictions article the other day has the Reds allowing about 50 fewer runs than the ’stros. Given the CHONE projections for the possible starting 5 starters for each team, and the parks, that much of a difference seems a little unlikely. Could be the fielding effect.&quot;

Wobatus, partly a fielding effect, but I think that a difference in bullpens is entirely possible too.  The Reds&#039; pen is seriously under-rated; they&#039;ve got much the better closer, some decent lefty arms, a couple of good youngsters, and arguably the best set-up-guy-that-nobody-outside-his-family-has-ever-heard-of in Nick Masset.  

The &#039;Stros will be running out Brandon Lyon&#039;s 4K/9 and Matt Lindstrom&#039;s flyball-pitcher-with-control-issues-in-a-bandbox production in the last couple of innings, which looks like something of a chasm between the two teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s interesting that the CAIRO team projections Dave linked to in his projections vs predictions article the other day has the Reds allowing about 50 fewer runs than the ’stros. Given the CHONE projections for the possible starting 5 starters for each team, and the parks, that much of a difference seems a little unlikely. Could be the fielding effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wobatus, partly a fielding effect, but I think that a difference in bullpens is entirely possible too.  The Reds&#8217; pen is seriously under-rated; they&#8217;ve got much the better closer, some decent lefty arms, a couple of good youngsters, and arguably the best set-up-guy-that-nobody-outside-his-family-has-ever-heard-of in Nick Masset.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;Stros will be running out Brandon Lyon&#8217;s 4K/9 and Matt Lindstrom&#8217;s flyball-pitcher-with-control-issues-in-a-bandbox production in the last couple of innings, which looks like something of a chasm between the two teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Newcomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newcomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you have to remember to regress those thumbs down to the mean.</description>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivaelpujols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the Cardinals project for at least 90 wins this year.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be surprised if Cincy did make it. The only team right now that wouldn&#039;t surprise me if they took the NL Central would be the Cards, they seem to be hands down the best team on paper at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be surprised if Cincy did make it. The only team right now that wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if they took the NL Central would be the Cards, they seem to be hands down the best team on paper at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: B N</title>
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		<dc:creator>B N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would not be surprised if the Reds excelled this year, I would also not be entirely shocked if they fell straight into the basement.  We know the positional players are there, but the pitching is a huge wild card- lots of potential but also lots of risk.  I could see Bailey and Cueto both hitting an ERA under 4 or both of them having an ERA over 6 before being replaced by somebody else in the rotation.  In the former case, the Reds make a run at the division.  In the latter case, they are fighting desperately with a slightly improved Pirates club to try to stay out of last place.

So if you want to talk about variance, sure- I would not be surprised if the Reds won the division.  But if you want to talk about expected performance, I think the Reds still are a middle-of-the-pack club.  I actually have not changed my impressions of the Reds from last year very much.  I mean, last year their rotation had all these options plus Volquez.  I think you have to call that a pretty significant loss, with him being out.  

I also don&#039;t really see Rolen as being as much of a difference-maker as the article says.  It sounds nice calling him an all-star, but it&#039;s been quite a while since Rolen has been all-star material.  He&#039;s an aging, plus 3B.

So I mean...
Rolen, Stubbs, and O. Cabrera in
Encarnation, Taveras, and Volquez out

Even counting Taveras as a minus and Encarnation as so-so, the surplus value from Volquez alone over a season has to be close to what the new acquisitions are adding.  So while I see the Reds as improved, I still feel like I&#039;m seeing a very similar team as last year.

The only difference is, last year people were hopeful about the Reds and this year they&#039;re pessimistic since any optimists got burnt last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would not be surprised if the Reds excelled this year, I would also not be entirely shocked if they fell straight into the basement.  We know the positional players are there, but the pitching is a huge wild card- lots of potential but also lots of risk.  I could see Bailey and Cueto both hitting an ERA under 4 or both of them having an ERA over 6 before being replaced by somebody else in the rotation.  In the former case, the Reds make a run at the division.  In the latter case, they are fighting desperately with a slightly improved Pirates club to try to stay out of last place.</p>
<p>So if you want to talk about variance, sure- I would not be surprised if the Reds won the division.  But if you want to talk about expected performance, I think the Reds still are a middle-of-the-pack club.  I actually have not changed my impressions of the Reds from last year very much.  I mean, last year their rotation had all these options plus Volquez.  I think you have to call that a pretty significant loss, with him being out.  </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t really see Rolen as being as much of a difference-maker as the article says.  It sounds nice calling him an all-star, but it&#8217;s been quite a while since Rolen has been all-star material.  He&#8217;s an aging, plus 3B.</p>
<p>So I mean&#8230;<br />
Rolen, Stubbs, and O. Cabrera in<br />
Encarnation, Taveras, and Volquez out</p>
<p>Even counting Taveras as a minus and Encarnation as so-so, the surplus value from Volquez alone over a season has to be close to what the new acquisitions are adding.  So while I see the Reds as improved, I still feel like I&#8217;m seeing a very similar team as last year.</p>
<p>The only difference is, last year people were hopeful about the Reds and this year they&#8217;re pessimistic since any optimists got burnt last year.</p>
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		<title>By: David MVP Eckstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David MVP Eckstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gomes shouldnt be

http://gameofinches.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-is-jonny-gomes-unemployed.html</description>
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