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	<title>Comments on: Erik Bedard&#8217;s Torn Labrum</title>
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		<title>By: Brooksy Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/erik-bedards-torn-labrum/#comment-91335</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooksy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickolio got a late start in baseball but I think he&#039;ll be quite a good reliever. His power sinker is a sexy pitch.

It&#039;s also kool that he spells his name with a K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickolio got a late start in baseball but I think he&#8217;ll be quite a good reliever. His power sinker is a sexy pitch.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also kool that he spells his name with a K.</p>
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		<title>By: ecp</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His birthday is 5/10/84, which makes him 25.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His birthday is 5/10/84, which makes him 25.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s actually 26</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s actually 26</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;ve heard is that the Lee trade was very financially motivated - given the money the Indians lost this year (16 mil or something), Shapiro may have just been told he had to cut contract money wherever he could.  Certainly I think he was aware of Lee&#039;s value and wouldn&#039;t have preferred the firesale if it wasn&#039;t financially necessary (remember, many projections had the Indians winning the division this year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve heard is that the Lee trade was very financially motivated &#8211; given the money the Indians lost this year (16 mil or something), Shapiro may have just been told he had to cut contract money wherever he could.  Certainly I think he was aware of Lee&#8217;s value and wouldn&#8217;t have preferred the firesale if it wasn&#8217;t financially necessary (remember, many projections had the Indians winning the division this year).</p>
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		<title>By: AT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to rub salt in the wound but I saw Kam Mickolio live the other night.  6&#039;9&quot; righty who hit 94.  Struck out the side on about 12 pitches.  He is in AAA and about 22 years old or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to rub salt in the wound but I saw Kam Mickolio live the other night.  6&#8242;9&#8243; righty who hit 94.  Struck out the side on about 12 pitches.  He is in AAA and about 22 years old or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew-Yeah Carrasco doesn&#039;t look like a future ace.
Jason Donald is old for a prospect(25) who&#039;s only decent skill is contact.
Lou Marson might be a good defender but he&#039;s an &quot;ok&quot; hitter
Jason Knapp is the only potential super star and he&#039;s on A ball not much he can do for them at the present.

I&#039;ve looked at Cleveland trade and they could held out for more but they seemed to be a little anxious. Teams like the angels or redsox could have drove up his price if they would&#039;ve shown just a little more interest.

Cleveland&#039;s direction is going nowhere they are starting guys with 5.00ERAs all over the place. If i was the gm I would&#039;ve called Tampa and see if they wanted for Martinez and Lee and try to get one of their many pitching prospects (ie. Jacob McGee, Wade Davis, Jeremy Hellickson, Matt Moore, Mitch Talbot,Heath Rollins,Nick Barnese,Eduardo Morlan) all these guys could be a major league pitcher. McGee and Davis and Hellickson would each be more on the line of bucholz where you&#039;re not getting much more if you get one of them but all the other guys could be a #2 or #3/4 starter or future bullpen help. Sorry I&#039;m getting off point cleveland has become the essentially what the pirate are. 

Erik Bedard basically gave the M&#039;s one year  of service but it took two years worth of prospect to get him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew-Yeah Carrasco doesn&#8217;t look like a future ace.<br />
Jason Donald is old for a prospect(25) who&#8217;s only decent skill is contact.<br />
Lou Marson might be a good defender but he&#8217;s an &#8220;ok&#8221; hitter<br />
Jason Knapp is the only potential super star and he&#8217;s on A ball not much he can do for them at the present.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked at Cleveland trade and they could held out for more but they seemed to be a little anxious. Teams like the angels or redsox could have drove up his price if they would&#8217;ve shown just a little more interest.</p>
<p>Cleveland&#8217;s direction is going nowhere they are starting guys with 5.00ERAs all over the place. If i was the gm I would&#8217;ve called Tampa and see if they wanted for Martinez and Lee and try to get one of their many pitching prospects (ie. Jacob McGee, Wade Davis, Jeremy Hellickson, Matt Moore, Mitch Talbot,Heath Rollins,Nick Barnese,Eduardo Morlan) all these guys could be a major league pitcher. McGee and Davis and Hellickson would each be more on the line of bucholz where you&#8217;re not getting much more if you get one of them but all the other guys could be a #2 or #3/4 starter or future bullpen help. Sorry I&#8217;m getting off point cleveland has become the essentially what the pirate are. </p>
<p>Erik Bedard basically gave the M&#8217;s one year  of service but it took two years worth of prospect to get him.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indians certainly did well with the Colon deal.  But the Bedard trade was far, far worse than the Expos deal.

There&#039;s a lot to it, but the Indians got taken in the Lee deal.  Not only did they not get any of the top 4 pitching prospects in the Phillies&#039; system, the best prospect of the four seems to be Carrasco, who FanGraphs calls &quot;low-risk/low-upside&quot;.

The Orioles stole the M&#039;s best all-around prospect (Jones) a top-3 pitching prospect that was 19(!!!) at the time of the deal, a LOOGY that was turned into an All-Star closer on a bad team that was then flipped for the Dodger&#039;s best corner infield/power prospect and an interesting young pitcher, a set-up/closer prospect in Mickolio that has two plus pitches and Tony Butler, who despite being an O&#039;s fan, I know nothing about.

More importantly, Sizemore is falling apart for the Indians with his UZR/WAR numbers slip slip sliding down the mountain the past two years.  Phillips was dumped for nothing and has turned into a pretty good player.

The Indians were competitive for three years after this deal, but remember, they&#039;ve waived the white flag on that nucleus.  Sabathia, Lee, and Martinez are all gone, and I don&#039;t see how they have the pitching to replace the two at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indians certainly did well with the Colon deal.  But the Bedard trade was far, far worse than the Expos deal.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to it, but the Indians got taken in the Lee deal.  Not only did they not get any of the top 4 pitching prospects in the Phillies&#8217; system, the best prospect of the four seems to be Carrasco, who FanGraphs calls &#8220;low-risk/low-upside&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Orioles stole the M&#8217;s best all-around prospect (Jones) a top-3 pitching prospect that was 19(!!!) at the time of the deal, a LOOGY that was turned into an All-Star closer on a bad team that was then flipped for the Dodger&#8217;s best corner infield/power prospect and an interesting young pitcher, a set-up/closer prospect in Mickolio that has two plus pitches and Tony Butler, who despite being an O&#8217;s fan, I know nothing about.</p>
<p>More importantly, Sizemore is falling apart for the Indians with his UZR/WAR numbers slip slip sliding down the mountain the past two years.  Phillips was dumped for nothing and has turned into a pretty good player.</p>
<p>The Indians were competitive for three years after this deal, but remember, they&#8217;ve waived the white flag on that nucleus.  Sabathia, Lee, and Martinez are all gone, and I don&#8217;t see how they have the pitching to replace the two at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now i forgot my my point the M&#039;s will likely suffer the same fate of disgust in the years to come if players like Jones and Tillman become high valued allstars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now i forgot my my point the M&#8217;s will likely suffer the same fate of disgust in the years to come if players like Jones and Tillman become high valued allstars.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I believe the Indians nettled in the Colon trade
---Originally----
Grady Sizemore
Cliff Lee
Brandon Phillips 
Lee Stevens
----Then The Brandon Phillips Trade----
Jeff Stevens
----Then The Cliff Lee Trade----
Carlos Carrasco
Jason Donald
Lou Marson
Jason Knapp
---They then Traded Jeff Steven with 2 lesser Prospects for Mark Derosa---
Chris Perez
Jess Todd

So for half a season of Barolo Colon the Indians made out big. The only mistake was trading Phillips too soon but they at least turned Jeff Steven into other major league prospects. This trade will continue to haunt the nationals if the Indians trade sizemore into even more prospects that turn into legitimate stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I believe the Indians nettled in the Colon trade<br />
&#8212;Originally&#8212;-<br />
Grady Sizemore<br />
Cliff Lee<br />
Brandon Phillips<br />
Lee Stevens<br />
&#8212;-Then The Brandon Phillips Trade&#8212;-<br />
Jeff Stevens<br />
&#8212;-Then The Cliff Lee Trade&#8212;-<br />
Carlos Carrasco<br />
Jason Donald<br />
Lou Marson<br />
Jason Knapp<br />
&#8212;They then Traded Jeff Steven with 2 lesser Prospects for Mark Derosa&#8212;<br />
Chris Perez<br />
Jess Todd</p>
<p>So for half a season of Barolo Colon the Indians made out big. The only mistake was trading Phillips too soon but they at least turned Jeff Steven into other major league prospects. This trade will continue to haunt the nationals if the Indians trade sizemore into even more prospects that turn into legitimate stars.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. Regardless of results, this was an epic fail of a trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. Regardless of results, this was an epic fail of a trade.</p>
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