Comments on: What’s Fair for Dunn? http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:13:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dave Cameron http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57420 Dave Cameron Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:57:23 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57420 RZR and the UZR published here on FanGraphs are based on the same dataset. UZR just is far more complete and analyzes the data better. There's no real reason to use RZR anymore. RZR and the UZR published here on FanGraphs are based on the same dataset. UZR just is far more complete and analyzes the data better. There’s no real reason to use RZR anymore.

]]> By: CJ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57416 CJ Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:49:29 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57416 For what it's worth, Dunn's RZR was third best among NL starting left fielders last year. (.899) http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2008&league_filter%5B%5D=2&pos_filter%5B%5D=7&Submit=Submit This seems to fit the PMR results. However, Dunn had the lowest "out of zone" plays, which isn't included in RZR. For what it’s worth, Dunn’s RZR was third best among NL starting left fielders last year. (.899)
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2008&league_filter%5B%5D=2&pos_filter%5B%5D=7&Submit=Submit

This seems to fit the PMR results. However, Dunn had the lowest “out of zone” plays, which isn’t included in RZR.

]]> By: TangoTiger http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57338 TangoTiger Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:07:36 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57338 The current Hardball Times 2009 Annual has such an analysis, and as luck would have it, Dunn is the poster boy for the article. The current Hardball Times 2009 Annual has such an analysis, and as luck would have it, Dunn is the poster boy for the article.

]]> By: Isaac http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57334 Isaac Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:17:11 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57334 Thanks. Do you know where I can find the numbers for how specific parks affect specific types of players? Such as how does Wrigley affect left handers, slap hitters or power hitters? Thanks. Do you know where I can find the numbers for how specific parks affect specific types of players? Such as how does Wrigley affect left handers, slap hitters or power hitters?

]]> By: Dave Cameron http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57332 Dave Cameron Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:35:45 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57332 No - a player's performance at a particular park (beyond his home park) is almost never meaningful. Park factors do a good job of helping us understand how a park treats a certain type of player, and the sample needed to believe that the player had a unique skill to outperform the park factor would require 1,000+ PA, and it takes an entire career for a visiting player to rack up that many PA at a road stadium. By the time we figured out if Dunn was better at Wrigley based on his road numbers, his career would be over. No – a player’s performance at a particular park (beyond his home park) is almost never meaningful. Park factors do a good job of helping us understand how a park treats a certain type of player, and the sample needed to believe that the player had a unique skill to outperform the park factor would require 1,000+ PA, and it takes an entire career for a visiting player to rack up that many PA at a road stadium. By the time we figured out if Dunn was better at Wrigley based on his road numbers, his career would be over.

]]> By: Isaac http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57328 Isaac Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:05:18 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57328 Lets say Dunn does end up in Chicago. Would it be smart to put any stock in his Wrigley Field stats? The sample size isn't huge, but it's not tiny either. In 217 AB's(sixty games) he has hit .286/.419/.664. As good as he's been in GAB, which admittedly is a better hitter's park, could it be that he would be even better in Wrigley? Lets say Dunn does end up in Chicago. Would it be smart to put any stock in his Wrigley Field stats? The sample size isn’t huge, but it’s not tiny either. In 217 AB’s(sixty games) he has hit .286/.419/.664. As good as he’s been in GAB, which admittedly is a better hitter’s park, could it be that he would be even better in Wrigley?

]]> By: RollingWave http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57326 RollingWave Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:54:22 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57326 except that if the Yankees could shell out 25 per for a postion they are overflowing with, then maybe they should consider giving the same money to someone who will actually fill a position of need for them . except that if the Yankees could shell out 25 per for a postion they are overflowing with, then maybe they should consider giving the same money to someone who will actually fill a position of need for them .

]]> By: Jason T http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57325 Jason T Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:45:21 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57325 Thanks, RJ. Thanks, RJ.

]]> By: R.J. Anderson http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57324 R.J. Anderson Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:23:30 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57324 Oops. Fixed. Oops. Fixed.

]]> By: James K. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fair-for-dunn/#comment-57323 James K. Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:19:40 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1869#comment-57323 "Bronson Arroyo speculated Dunn would seek a six-figure contract." As in like $900,000? Or like $100,000,000 ( a 9 figure contract)? I'm confused. “Bronson Arroyo speculated Dunn would seek a six-figure contract.”

As in like $900,000? Or like $100,000,000 ( a 9 figure contract)?

I’m confused.

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