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		<title>By: Chofo</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/five-five-success-for-the-yankees/#comment-61231</link>
		<dc:creator>Chofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another part deleted:

Kennedy  Coke and Aceves, has more expierience in bullpen</description>
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<p>Kennedy  Coke and Aceves, has more expierience in bullpen</p>
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		<title>By: Chofo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops... some part of my post was deleted. here it goes:

Burnett  Smoltz / Wakefield, right now you have to give edge to the more healthy and younger lefty, but if everything goes well, Smoltz could have better numbers than anybody on this list. That´s a big IF. It`s still advantage Yankees if Wake takes this turn in the rotation</description>
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<p>Burnett  Smoltz / Wakefield, right now you have to give edge to the more healthy and younger lefty, but if everything goes well, Smoltz could have better numbers than anybody on this list. That´s a big IF. It`s still advantage Yankees if Wake takes this turn in the rotation</p>
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		<title>By: Chofo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comp. My toughts:

Sabathia &gt; Beckett, LH and more durable. Beckett has more question marks.

Wang &lt; Lester, I´ll take Lester in my team first because of age and better record in post-season, but they could end having the same stats this year.

Burnett  Smoltz or Wakefield, right now you have to give edge to the more healthy and younger lefty, but if everything goes well, Smoltz could have better numbers than anybody on this list. That´s a big IF. It`s still advantage Yankees if Wake takes this turn in the rotation

Joba &gt; Penny, even if both are healthy, wich is a bigger question mark for Penny. Right now this is a BIG edge to Yankees.

Hughes = Buchholz right now, higher ceilling for Buch

Kennedy  Coke, Aceves, has more expierience in bullpen

I`d take Boston defense, pen and bench over the yankees, but they have better offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comp. My toughts:</p>
<p>Sabathia &gt; Beckett, LH and more durable. Beckett has more question marks.</p>
<p>Wang &lt; Lester, I´ll take Lester in my team first because of age and better record in post-season, but they could end having the same stats this year.</p>
<p>Burnett  Smoltz or Wakefield, right now you have to give edge to the more healthy and younger lefty, but if everything goes well, Smoltz could have better numbers than anybody on this list. That´s a big IF. It`s still advantage Yankees if Wake takes this turn in the rotation</p>
<p>Joba &gt; Penny, even if both are healthy, wich is a bigger question mark for Penny. Right now this is a BIG edge to Yankees.</p>
<p>Hughes = Buchholz right now, higher ceilling for Buch</p>
<p>Kennedy  Coke, Aceves, has more expierience in bullpen</p>
<p>I`d take Boston defense, pen and bench over the yankees, but they have better offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Chofo</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/five-five-success-for-the-yankees/#comment-61223</link>
		<dc:creator>Chofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Yankees 5 better than Sox, but those 2 rotations are very good ones. The Sox depth is better, and if everything goes well for both franchises, it´s going to be scary come Octuber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Yankees 5 better than Sox, but those 2 rotations are very good ones. The Sox depth is better, and if everything goes well for both franchises, it´s going to be scary come Octuber.</p>
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		<title>By: karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why 5+5?  It seems like 5+2 or maybe 3 matters a lot more.  If you need 5 different backups for any significant inning, you&#039;re in trouble.  Of course their will be a few spot starts here and there, but those usually go to a vetern stocked in AAA (like a Davern Hansack).  I think that looking at a top 8 would tell a much more important story: how well can this team do if it suffers a couple of major injuries?  That gives you 2 replacements, plus an option if one of them doesn&#039;t work out in a few starts.  
And referring to Smoltz and Penny as bad risks for the Sox is failing to understand their financial situation.  Even if both are complete busts that never pitch an inning, the Sox can easily absorb that financial loss.  They are essentially no-risk signings to a team with that deep a wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why 5+5?  It seems like 5+2 or maybe 3 matters a lot more.  If you need 5 different backups for any significant inning, you&#8217;re in trouble.  Of course their will be a few spot starts here and there, but those usually go to a vetern stocked in AAA (like a Davern Hansack).  I think that looking at a top 8 would tell a much more important story: how well can this team do if it suffers a couple of major injuries?  That gives you 2 replacements, plus an option if one of them doesn&#8217;t work out in a few starts.<br />
And referring to Smoltz and Penny as bad risks for the Sox is failing to understand their financial situation.  Even if both are complete busts that never pitch an inning, the Sox can easily absorb that financial loss.  They are essentially no-risk signings to a team with that deep a wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job organizing things.  I agree with except that I think Bowden is better than Kennedy.  Bowden is two years younger (9/9/86 DOB compared to 19/19/84 DOB), taller (6&#039;3&quot; to 6&#039;0&quot;) and throws 2.7 MPH harder (91.7 to 89.0).  Kennedy has good minor league K/9 numbers, but at don&#039;t expect those to translate to his MLB career at 89 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job organizing things.  I agree with except that I think Bowden is better than Kennedy.  Bowden is two years younger (9/9/86 DOB compared to 19/19/84 DOB), taller (6&#8217;3&#8243; to 6&#8217;0&#8243;) and throws 2.7 MPH harder (91.7 to 89.0).  Kennedy has good minor league K/9 numbers, but at don&#8217;t expect those to translate to his MLB career at 89 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawkins44</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawkins44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the Minors to the majors:

1) Buchholtz looked lost last year just like Hughes so they are a wash...   Buchholtz threw a no hitter, Hughes through almost threw a no hitter before he got hurt..... again, a wash
2) One could argue that Kennedy is better than Bowden as has one or two decent major league starts compared to zero.
3) Smoltz and Pettitte are a wash.....  I want to see an old Smoltz pitch in the AL East
4) Chamberlain would be rated above Penny
5) Wang and Lester are close... but man, one could go with Lester but the stats wouldn&#039;t support it as Wang has a larger statiscal sample size
6)  Dice K and Burnett - even
7)  Sabathia and Beckett  - even

So then you need throw in Wakefield and Masterson (No slouch) against the Yankees second tier SP prospects Aceves, Coke, and Horne... you have to give that to the BOSOX although Aceves had a solid run last year.

They both have rotations to compete in the AL east...  the difference is the Yankeees lineup is far superior offensively...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the Minors to the majors:</p>
<p>1) Buchholtz looked lost last year just like Hughes so they are a wash&#8230;   Buchholtz threw a no hitter, Hughes through almost threw a no hitter before he got hurt&#8230;.. again, a wash<br />
2) One could argue that Kennedy is better than Bowden as has one or two decent major league starts compared to zero.<br />
3) Smoltz and Pettitte are a wash&#8230;..  I want to see an old Smoltz pitch in the AL East<br />
4) Chamberlain would be rated above Penny<br />
5) Wang and Lester are close&#8230; but man, one could go with Lester but the stats wouldn&#8217;t support it as Wang has a larger statiscal sample size<br />
6)  Dice K and Burnett &#8211; even<br />
7)  Sabathia and Beckett  &#8211; even</p>
<p>So then you need throw in Wakefield and Masterson (No slouch) against the Yankees second tier SP prospects Aceves, Coke, and Horne&#8230; you have to give that to the BOSOX although Aceves had a solid run last year.</p>
<p>They both have rotations to compete in the AL east&#8230;  the difference is the Yankeees lineup is far superior offensively&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>red sox 

Lester - key to success was flipping his gb% and fb%. Can he do that again ? He also had a huge innings spike which makes him an injury risk 

Beckett - His skill set is actually improving , but he is coming on 3 different injuries so he also is a question mark 

Dice K - He is on a 2 consecutive year skill set decline who walks a ton. He is also going to pitch in the WBC. Shilling recently expressed concern of the Red Sox that he would be playing with Japan whose pitching style the Red Sox have spent 2 years trying to have him unlearn .. ? 

Wakelfield - consistant Mediocrity with occasional DL stint .. as long as the Red Sox can score 5 runs a game and has the right catcher he&#039;s good for 15 wins 

Penny - Huge injury risk , but that&#039;s the good news because his skill set is eroding as well. 

Smoltz - at 41 he is still one of the top pitchers as far as skills go. Unfortunately he is 41 and coming off of major should surgery. 

Buckholz - forget about last year, he is still going to be excellent 

Bowden - He is probably looking good as well , but who are the Red Sox trading to get a catcher 

Masterson - He demonstrates much better skill set after move to the bullpen. I don&#039;t think he makes it to the rotation. 

so this is the Red Sox pitching 

upside 

1) beckett rebound - cy young type year 
2) lester healthy and repeating skill gains 
3) Buckholtz emerges 
4) Smoltz heatlthy 
5) Dice K regains 2006 skills and reduces walks and stays healthy 

downside 

1) beckettt , but with injuries  12 wins 
2) dice K with the walks and a high era 10 wins 
3) Lester - great start but then the innings spike catches up and he is shut down for the season 
4) wakelfield - steady 
5) Penny - stays healtty but his mediocre stuff translated to the AL east result in a 5+ ERA 

smoltz never makes it back 
buckholtz never emerges 
etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red sox </p>
<p>Lester &#8211; key to success was flipping his gb% and fb%. Can he do that again ? He also had a huge innings spike which makes him an injury risk </p>
<p>Beckett &#8211; His skill set is actually improving , but he is coming on 3 different injuries so he also is a question mark </p>
<p>Dice K &#8211; He is on a 2 consecutive year skill set decline who walks a ton. He is also going to pitch in the WBC. Shilling recently expressed concern of the Red Sox that he would be playing with Japan whose pitching style the Red Sox have spent 2 years trying to have him unlearn .. ? </p>
<p>Wakelfield &#8211; consistant Mediocrity with occasional DL stint .. as long as the Red Sox can score 5 runs a game and has the right catcher he&#8217;s good for 15 wins </p>
<p>Penny &#8211; Huge injury risk , but that&#8217;s the good news because his skill set is eroding as well. </p>
<p>Smoltz &#8211; at 41 he is still one of the top pitchers as far as skills go. Unfortunately he is 41 and coming off of major should surgery. </p>
<p>Buckholz &#8211; forget about last year, he is still going to be excellent </p>
<p>Bowden &#8211; He is probably looking good as well , but who are the Red Sox trading to get a catcher </p>
<p>Masterson &#8211; He demonstrates much better skill set after move to the bullpen. I don&#8217;t think he makes it to the rotation. </p>
<p>so this is the Red Sox pitching </p>
<p>upside </p>
<p>1) beckett rebound &#8211; cy young type year<br />
2) lester healthy and repeating skill gains<br />
3) Buckholtz emerges<br />
4) Smoltz heatlthy<br />
5) Dice K regains 2006 skills and reduces walks and stays healthy </p>
<p>downside </p>
<p>1) beckettt , but with injuries  12 wins<br />
2) dice K with the walks and a high era 10 wins<br />
3) Lester &#8211; great start but then the innings spike catches up and he is shut down for the season<br />
4) wakelfield &#8211; steady<br />
5) Penny &#8211; stays healtty but his mediocre stuff translated to the AL east result in a 5+ ERA </p>
<p>smoltz never makes it back<br />
buckholtz never emerges<br />
etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aceves was in the Mexican Leagues up until this year.  He was there for 6 seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aceves was in the Mexican Leagues up until this year.  He was there for 6 seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bowden is the Red Sox verion of Kennedy, with slightly worse MiLB numbers. People also seem to forget that Smoltz will be out for the beginning of the season not including any setbacks. Personally I really wouldn&#039;t count on much from Aceves as touched on in the article. He has average stuff and average command and as previously stated was quite lucky. Coke should be useful though, he had a velo spike last year and now can hit mid-nineties and has a good starter. Him and masterson should fit into similar roles with each team. That said, Bucholz=Hughes, Bowden&lt;Kennedy, CokeAceves.Quite frankly Kei Igawa hasn&#039;t been mentioned (not a joke) and I would actually take him over Brad Penny. This isn&#039;t bias or anything, but Igawa despite ineffectiveness as the MLB level was great in Triple-A last year and does have the talent to succeed in some role in the majors. That said, Penny is an out of shape pitcher who was terrible in a pitcher&#039;s park in the worst devision of baseball and has lost multiple MPH on his fastball, and quite frankly I don&#039;t view him as no better than Daniel Cabrera or much less, minor league contract guy. Erick Hacker=Devern Hansack, and George Kontos (not mentioned either, should be higher than Alan Horne) &gt;?. All said in done, the depth on either team is equal, or if Penny is fine Boston has a little more depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bowden is the Red Sox verion of Kennedy, with slightly worse MiLB numbers. People also seem to forget that Smoltz will be out for the beginning of the season not including any setbacks. Personally I really wouldn&#8217;t count on much from Aceves as touched on in the article. He has average stuff and average command and as previously stated was quite lucky. Coke should be useful though, he had a velo spike last year and now can hit mid-nineties and has a good starter. Him and masterson should fit into similar roles with each team. That said, Bucholz=Hughes, Bowden&lt;Kennedy, CokeAceves.Quite frankly Kei Igawa hasn&#8217;t been mentioned (not a joke) and I would actually take him over Brad Penny. This isn&#8217;t bias or anything, but Igawa despite ineffectiveness as the MLB level was great in Triple-A last year and does have the talent to succeed in some role in the majors. That said, Penny is an out of shape pitcher who was terrible in a pitcher&#8217;s park in the worst devision of baseball and has lost multiple MPH on his fastball, and quite frankly I don&#8217;t view him as no better than Daniel Cabrera or much less, minor league contract guy. Erick Hacker=Devern Hansack, and George Kontos (not mentioned either, should be higher than Alan Horne) &gt;?. All said in done, the depth on either team is equal, or if Penny is fine Boston has a little more depth.</p>
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