Comments on: Free Agent Bargain: Joe Crede

By: Clicky

Clicky — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:47:16 +0000

You come on a sabermetric website talking about base clogging and we’re supposed to take you seriously? Fuck off.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:39:00 +0000

“His contact rate was identical to his 2006 performance, so it doesnâ€™t appear he had to adjust his swing to compensate for the pain”

I am a die hard white sox fan and let me tell you this is just not the case. Joe Crede when his back is bothering him, even if hes playing, reverts to Mr. Infield Pop up with a long loopy swing. This is what we saw in his production of about a .275 hitter in Mid May to a .285 hitter in mid June under healthy conditions. By July it was reported he was getting back treatment for some ongoing pain and that he had been trying to play through. His batting avg dipped to about .255 in late July before he was finally shelved for an extended period of time. He came back in late Aug/Early Sept for about 7-8 games and was a pop out and strike out machine. He eventually went down again the first week of Sept and ended 2008 with .248 avg and .316 OBP.

Dont get me wrong I love the guy, his defense str8 up wins games, hes a great 3B. But he is a low contact Pop Up machine and a base clogger. Believe me the white sox have many of these and they dont need anymore. His back will always be an issue and therefore he will always be unrealiable.

By: Ender

Ender — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:21:05 +0000

He would be a good match for the Brewers who could slide Hall into a utility infielder role. If Crede has back issues then Hall can fill in for him and they have some younger players who might be ready by the end of the year at 3B as well.

By: STEVEN

STEVEN — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:13:12 +0000

Wow, great language discussion guys.

Anyway, I think he would be a good pickup for the twins if he can sign for a 1 year deal. He wouldn’t have to play every day as Buscher would spell him against rightys sometimes. Then they wouldn’t have to give up an arm and a leg for Beltre.

By: LB

LB — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:23:23 +0000

Nice job clicky.

By: Clicky

Clicky — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:18:20 +0000

You actually have it completely backwards. The word entered the English language in the mid-1500s meaning “commonly known” and didn’t get its negative connotation until the seventeenth century, so Dave actually used the purest meaning of the word.

Nice try though. Care to dig yourself any deeper?

By: Jeff

Jeff — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:07:00 +0000

Main Entry:
noÂ·toÂ·riÂ·ous Listen to the pronunciation of notorious
Pronunciation:
\nÅ-ËˆtoÌ‡r-Ä“-É™s, nÉ™-\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Medieval Latin notorius, from Late Latin notorium information, indictment, from Latin noscere to come to know â€” more at know
Date:
1534

: generally known and talked of ; especially : widely and unfavorably known.

You see, especially: widely and unfavorably known. If enough people use a word improperly it becomes an accepted definition, it does not make it proper. And really, calling me Jeffy is supposed to be belittling but calling yourself “clicky” is what, pray tell?

By: Clicky

Clicky — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:41:10 +0000

And what’s one of the definitions of notorious? Publicly or generally known. There was nothing wrong with Dave’s use of the word. Way to make an ass of yourself, Jeffy.

By: obsessivegiantscompulsive

obsessivegiantscompulsive — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:17:32 +0000

Gamble is more like it. A 3B with back problems is a total gamble, and you don’t even have to go far to see what happens, look at the A’s signing Eric Chavez to his long-term, big money contract. Out of all the young offensive stars the A’s could have signed, he’s probably the worse in terms of production and return after the contract was signed, Tejeda, even Giambi, were better bets.

Crede would be a bargain only if the team can sign him to a $1-3M contract, because the market has shown what a player of his ability, but who has been healthy, can get on the market, Pedro Feliz got a 2 year contract for about $9M plus a third year option, his defense and offense has been on par with Crede, once you discount Crede for playing at a homer park like Comminsky and adjust up Feliz for playing at pitcher’s park like AT&T. For him to be a bargain, he has to get less than what Feliz got only less to account for his injury problems.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:13:08 +0000

Notoriety = n. The quality or condition of being notorious. It is not a synonym for famous.

As for baseball issues; have you discounted Crede’s home park as playing a large part in his ISO? Cellular field adds home runs at a rate of 25% according to park effects.