Comments on: Hank Didn’t Like Losing http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:36:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: waynetolleson http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-89811 waynetolleson Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:37:13 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-89811 Awww, poor baby. Awww, poor baby.

]]> By: waynetolleson http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-89810 waynetolleson Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:26:31 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-89810 Awww. Poor baby. Awww. Poor baby.

]]> By: bill http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57731 bill Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:20:45 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57731 How did the Red Sox screw up baseball? As the Yankees started to push their payroll up and up the Red Sox had a choice; either concede the division year after year, or spend money. They were able to spend the money because of a fiercely loyal fanbase. The markets are not even comparable to each other. Boston is like the 24th biggest city in the country, it is a smaller market than those of a lot of teams who have much smaller revenues. Why? Because the population as a whole loves baseball and is therefore rewarded with great teams. But don't say the Sox are like the Yankees. The Yankees will have spent almost twice as much as the Sox this coming season (after luxury tax). More than $100 million more. The difference between the Sox and Yanks is the same as the difference between the Sox and Marlins in payroll. The Yankees are playing a different game than everybody else. Its that simple. How did the Red Sox screw up baseball? As the Yankees started to push their payroll up and up the Red Sox had a choice; either concede the division year after year, or spend money. They were able to spend the money because of a fiercely loyal fanbase. The markets are not even comparable to each other. Boston is like the 24th biggest city in the country, it is a smaller market than those of a lot of teams who have much smaller revenues. Why? Because the population as a whole loves baseball and is therefore rewarded with great teams. But don’t say the Sox are like the Yankees. The Yankees will have spent almost twice as much as the Sox this coming season (after luxury tax). More than $100 million more. The difference between the Sox and Yanks is the same as the difference between the Sox and Marlins in payroll. The Yankees are playing a different game than everybody else. Its that simple.

]]> By: Charles http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57725 Charles Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:12:28 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57725 Plus you have to consider the ever-rising value of a win. Assuming $4.9 million per win for 2009 and an annual rate of inflation of 9.5%, the average value of a win over the life of the contract would be $6.9 million, so he'd really only have to be worth about 3.3 WAR a year to justify the contract. To break it down, this is the bare minimum he'd need to accomplish in any given year: 2009 - 4.6 WAR 2010 - 4.2 WAR 2011 - 3.8 WAR 2012 - 3.5 WAR 2013 - 3.2 WAR 2014 - 2.9 WAR 2015 - 2.7 WAR 2016 - 2.4 WAR Seems doable, no? Plus you have to consider the ever-rising value of a win. Assuming $4.9 million per win for 2009 and an annual rate of inflation of 9.5%, the average value of a win over the life of the contract would be $6.9 million, so he’d really only have to be worth about 3.3 WAR a year to justify the contract. To break it down, this is the bare minimum he’d need to accomplish in any given year:

2009 – 4.6 WAR
2010 – 4.2 WAR
2011 – 3.8 WAR
2012 – 3.5 WAR
2013 – 3.2 WAR
2014 – 2.9 WAR
2015 – 2.7 WAR
2016 – 2.4 WAR

Seems doable, no?

]]> By: Jason T http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57721 Jason T Thu, 25 Dec 2008 03:21:11 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57721 And I think part of people's anger is the very fresh memory of those three signings. That was a wicked outfield there for a bit. Personally, I miss sitting in leftfield @ the Kingdome, general admission and chanting "Meeeeeellllll!! Meeeeeelllllllllllll!!" @ poor Mel Hall and him complaining to the 3rd base umpire between innings. "You should have never traded Buhner!!" And I think part of people’s anger is the very fresh memory of those three signings. That was a wicked outfield there for a bit.

Personally, I miss sitting in leftfield @ the Kingdome, general admission and chanting “Meeeeeellllll!! Meeeeeelllllllllllll!!” @ poor Mel Hall and him complaining to the 3rd base umpire between innings.

“You should have never traded Buhner!!”

]]> By: Jason T http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57720 Jason T Thu, 25 Dec 2008 03:18:39 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57720 Yeah, but I'm guessing Tex is going to age fairly well. He's not your typical lumbering, immobile 1Bman. Yeah, but I’m guessing Tex is going to age fairly well. He’s not your typical lumbering, immobile 1Bman.

]]> By: devil_fingers http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57700 devil_fingers Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:06:05 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57700 Placement in MVP voting = the New Moneyball /snark Sorry, Pat, couldn't resist. Placement in MVP voting = the New Moneyball

/snark

Sorry, Pat, couldn’t resist.

]]> By: devil_fingers http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57698 devil_fingers Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:02:15 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57698 Remember -- only the Yankees get the hysteria treatment. Cameron's a great blogger, but the "Go Red Sox" portion makes him sound like Olney or (almost as bad these days) Kahrl. Remember — only the Yankees get the hysteria treatment. Cameron’s a great blogger, but the “Go Red Sox” portion makes him sound like Olney or (almost as bad these days) Kahrl.

]]> By: Raf http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57692 Raf Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:22 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57692 Loads better than Pavano. I said it then, I'll say it now; Wright, Pavano & Womack were 3 of the dumbest signings in Yankees history. At least the Buhner trade could be justified somewhat; The Yanks had an outfield of Rickey Henderson, Claudell Washington & Dave Winfield. Roberto Kelly was in the system too. Jack Clark was @ DH. Buhner wasn't going to crack that lineup. Of course, had the Yanks waited a year, Buhner would've gotten all the playing time he needed, what with Rickey & Clark geting traded, and Winfield missing the 89 season. Loads better than Pavano. I said it then, I’ll say it now; Wright, Pavano & Womack were 3 of the dumbest signings in Yankees history.

At least the Buhner trade could be justified somewhat; The Yanks had an outfield of Rickey Henderson, Claudell Washington & Dave Winfield. Roberto Kelly was in the system too. Jack Clark was @ DH. Buhner wasn’t going to crack that lineup.

Of course, had the Yanks waited a year, Buhner would’ve gotten all the playing time he needed, what with Rickey & Clark geting traded, and Winfield missing the 89 season.

]]> By: Raf http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hank-didnt-like-losing/#comment-57691 Raf Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:31:28 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1909#comment-57691 I know, I was just sayin'. I was bored @ work. :) I know, I was just sayin’. I was bored @ work. :)

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