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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-hit-when-it-counted/#comment-52986</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the comparison.  Howard hit well with runners in scoring position, but here is how he compared to Pujols:

Howard
Scoring Position	.320/.439/.589/1.028
Scoring Posn, 2 out	.322/.468/.552/1.020

Pujols
Scoring Position	.339/.523/.678/1.201
Scoring Posn, 2 out	.326/.592/.791/1.383

Just for kicks, I&#039;ll let you decide whose &quot;close and late&quot; line is whose:

.158/.306/.337/.643
.314/.444/.600/1.044</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the comparison.  Howard hit well with runners in scoring position, but here is how he compared to Pujols:</p>
<p>Howard<br />
Scoring Position	.320/.439/.589/1.028<br />
Scoring Posn, 2 out	.322/.468/.552/1.020</p>
<p>Pujols<br />
Scoring Position	.339/.523/.678/1.201<br />
Scoring Posn, 2 out	.326/.592/.791/1.383</p>
<p>Just for kicks, I&#8217;ll let you decide whose &#8220;close and late&#8221; line is whose:</p>
<p>.158/.306/.337/.643<br />
.314/.444/.600/1.044</p>
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		<title>By: LarryinLA</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-hit-when-it-counted/#comment-52854</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryinLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack.  Formatting my stats disappeared. I&#039;ll try again:


             PA    AB  1B   HR  2B+3B BB K
RISP      216  175 33  12  11       41 54
Empty   348  312 29  22  10      36 111
1B only 127  123 13  14  9          4   34
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack.  Formatting my stats disappeared. I&#8217;ll try again:</p>
<p>             PA    AB  1B   HR  2B+3B BB K<br />
RISP      216  175 33  12  11       41 54<br />
Empty   348  312 29  22  10      36 111<br />
1B only 127  123 13  14  9          4   34</p>
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		<title>By: LarryinLA</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-hit-when-it-counted/#comment-52853</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryinLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard and RISP v. nobody on:

Doesn&#039;t this probably have something to do with the shift?  Much more likely to see the shift with nobody on.  If that&#039;s the case, though, do steals for the Phillies acquire more value if they can add .140 to his batting average?  I think the stats (from ESPN) confirm this.  

                      PA     AB     1B     HR    2B+3B     BB    K    
RISP              216    175    33     12      11         41    54  
Empty           348    312    29     22      10         36    111
1B only         127    123    13     14        9           4     34

His XBH rate does go up with RISP, but there&#039;s a much bigger difference in the 1B rate.  He also did even better with power in 1B only situations, but the singes rate stayed the same as with bases empty.  I think the evidence is that much of Howard&#039;s RISP improvement is due to the absence of the shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard and RISP v. nobody on:</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this probably have something to do with the shift?  Much more likely to see the shift with nobody on.  If that&#8217;s the case, though, do steals for the Phillies acquire more value if they can add .140 to his batting average?  I think the stats (from ESPN) confirm this.  </p>
<p>                      PA     AB     1B     HR    2B+3B     BB    K<br />
RISP              216    175    33     12      11         41    54<br />
Empty           348    312    29     22      10         36    111<br />
1B only         127    123    13     14        9           4     34</p>
<p>His XBH rate does go up with RISP, but there&#8217;s a much bigger difference in the 1B rate.  He also did even better with power in 1B only situations, but the singes rate stayed the same as with bases empty.  I think the evidence is that much of Howard&#8217;s RISP improvement is due to the absence of the shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Conballs</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-hit-when-it-counted/#comment-52844</link>
		<dc:creator>Conballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a devout Phillies fan, I completely agree Howard shouldn&#039;t have been seriously considered as the MVP.  But as far as hitting when it counted, he kind of did that all year.  What I mean is RISP.  The guy hit over .300 all year w/ RISP.  In fact he hit .322 w/ RISP and 2 outs.  These number were sustained all year.  I remember when he was hitting .210, he was still hitting .330 w/ RISP.  

The terrible thing is he hit .196 and had an OBP of .281 w/ nobody on.  He is an extremely athletic talent, he makes great defensive plays, but mentally is not in the game and was anything but sure-handed when it came to routine plays.  Countless times the guy would get a groundball and not know what base to go too, screwing up double-plays and sometimes not even getting an out.

However, the knock is a little hard on him.  He is a tremendous run producer and I think he will have a huge season next year if Mr. Rollins can get back on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also a devout Phillies fan, I completely agree Howard shouldn&#8217;t have been seriously considered as the MVP.  But as far as hitting when it counted, he kind of did that all year.  What I mean is RISP.  The guy hit over .300 all year w/ RISP.  In fact he hit .322 w/ RISP and 2 outs.  These number were sustained all year.  I remember when he was hitting .210, he was still hitting .330 w/ RISP.  </p>
<p>The terrible thing is he hit .196 and had an OBP of .281 w/ nobody on.  He is an extremely athletic talent, he makes great defensive plays, but mentally is not in the game and was anything but sure-handed when it came to routine plays.  Countless times the guy would get a groundball and not know what base to go too, screwing up double-plays and sometimes not even getting an out.</p>
<p>However, the knock is a little hard on him.  He is a tremendous run producer and I think he will have a huge season next year if Mr. Rollins can get back on track.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone that thinks April and May don&#039;t count, then I have another cliched saying that talking heads continuously spout out:

&quot;You can&#039;t win a division in April, but you can certainly lose one.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone that thinks April and May don&#8217;t count, then I have another cliched saying that talking heads continuously spout out:</p>
<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t win a division in April, but you can certainly lose one.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ketchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Ketchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again the thing that gets me is the ignorance of it all. I hear beat writers in interviews state that they simply cant cover it all. My question is why not? There is so much technology (DVR, Extra innings package anyone) and web sites that do all the leg work for you. I think that they continue to ignore the numbers is simply nothing more then laziness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again the thing that gets me is the ignorance of it all. I hear beat writers in interviews state that they simply cant cover it all. My question is why not? There is so much technology (DVR, Extra innings package anyone) and web sites that do all the leg work for you. I think that they continue to ignore the numbers is simply nothing more then laziness.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-hit-when-it-counted/#comment-52815</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/19/life-of-boswell&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe Posnanski&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;King Kaufman over at Salon wrote something the other day that I really liked. He wrote that the methodology for some voters seems to be: “Figure out who you like as MVP, then fashion the current year’s definition of ‘valuable’ to fit.”

I think that’s about right. I understand why people would want to vote for Ryan Howard as MVP. It fits a neat story line. We don’t want our MVPs to just be the boring ol’ best player — no, we want them to be superheroes, we want to ascribe to them some sort of mystical talents that lift teams above their modest means and carry them to unforeseen heights. We want to believe that the MVP — and the MVP alone — could have lifted them higher than they’ve ever been lifted before.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/19/life-of-boswell" rel="nofollow">Joe Posnanski</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;King Kaufman over at Salon wrote something the other day that I really liked. He wrote that the methodology for some voters seems to be: “Figure out who you like as MVP, then fashion the current year’s definition of ‘valuable’ to fit.”</p>
<p>I think that’s about right. I understand why people would want to vote for Ryan Howard as MVP. It fits a neat story line. We don’t want our MVPs to just be the boring ol’ best player — no, we want them to be superheroes, we want to ascribe to them some sort of mystical talents that lift teams above their modest means and carry them to unforeseen heights. We want to believe that the MVP — and the MVP alone — could have lifted them higher than they’ve ever been lifted before.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seidman</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-hit-when-it-counted/#comment-52810</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Studes, good point.  When we use VORP, we see that Howard had a 35.6 and Ramirez, only with LAD, had 47.2, so unless there is something screwy there, Manny in his 229 LAD plate appearances was worth a full win better than Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Studes, good point.  When we use VORP, we see that Howard had a 35.6 and Ramirez, only with LAD, had 47.2, so unless there is something screwy there, Manny in his 229 LAD plate appearances was worth a full win better than Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: studes</title>
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		<dc:creator>studes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree 100%.  Why is no one listening?

BTW, I&#039;d use caution comparing full-season guys like Howard and short-season guys like Ramirez.  WPA or WPA/LI compares a player to average, which makes it easier for a player with less playing time to do relatively well.  Example: Felix Hernandez had 0.3 batting WPA in one plate appearance. That&#039;s why replacement level is a better baseline -- it does a better job of including playing time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree 100%.  Why is no one listening?</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;d use caution comparing full-season guys like Howard and short-season guys like Ramirez.  WPA or WPA/LI compares a player to average, which makes it easier for a player with less playing time to do relatively well.  Example: Felix Hernandez had 0.3 batting WPA in one plate appearance. That&#8217;s why replacement level is a better baseline &#8212; it does a better job of including playing time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same mentatlity that makes the closer such an &quot;elite&quot; position, and it bothers me, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same mentatlity that makes the closer such an &#8220;elite&#8221; position, and it bothers me, too.</p>
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