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	<title>Comments on: Honoring Derrek Lee</title>
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		<title>By: Circlechange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110260</link>
		<dc:creator>Circlechange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Lilly gets overlooked by those that follow the nlc. He&#039;s a good lhp in a division that features some big lh bats. 

He likely gets overlooked because of the dissapointing cubs season ... Dominated by the attention given to Soriano and Bradley.

Lilly is good; he has been A solid performer for the lovable losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Lilly gets overlooked by those that follow the nlc. He&#8217;s a good lhp in a division that features some big lh bats. </p>
<p>He likely gets overlooked because of the dissapointing cubs season &#8230; Dominated by the attention given to Soriano and Bradley.</p>
<p>Lilly is good; he has been A solid performer for the lovable losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110224</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Lilly also got missed amid the Cubs failures in 2009.

12-9, 3.10 ERA, 177 IP, and most importantly, a 4.19 K/BB
His single season best before 2009? 3.16.

3.65 FIP also a career best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Lilly also got missed amid the Cubs failures in 2009.</p>
<p>12-9, 3.10 ERA, 177 IP, and most importantly, a 4.19 K/BB<br />
His single season best before 2009? 3.16.</p>
<p>3.65 FIP also a career best.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110223</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubt Boston would trade for him. Boston isn&#039;t shy about loading up on corner-type players, but the only thing I can think of here is if there&#039;s some 3 team deal that involves Derrek Lee and Mike Lowell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubt Boston would trade for him. Boston isn&#8217;t shy about loading up on corner-type players, but the only thing I can think of here is if there&#8217;s some 3 team deal that involves Derrek Lee and Mike Lowell.</p>
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		<title>By: Moondigs</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110196</link>
		<dc:creator>Moondigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee&#039;s value is sky high right now, and Beantown would be a great fit.

The Cubs could move Jake Fox to 1B, which is probably the only position he&#039;s (close to) capable of playing, aside from the occasional backup at 3B.

DLee does have a no-trade clause, but he would get a good return if he were to be moved. 

The Cubs would lose his leadership in a clubhouse without a face, and they&#039;d lose his glove, which would be tough- 

Any ideas on who&#039;d they get from Boston? Maybe a 2B/RF guy? Leadoff hitter? Bullpen help? Prospects?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee&#8217;s value is sky high right now, and Beantown would be a great fit.</p>
<p>The Cubs could move Jake Fox to 1B, which is probably the only position he&#8217;s (close to) capable of playing, aside from the occasional backup at 3B.</p>
<p>DLee does have a no-trade clause, but he would get a good return if he were to be moved. </p>
<p>The Cubs would lose his leadership in a clubhouse without a face, and they&#8217;d lose his glove, which would be tough- </p>
<p>Any ideas on who&#8217;d they get from Boston? Maybe a 2B/RF guy? Leadoff hitter? Bullpen help? Prospects?</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110115</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked up Lee&#039;s individual seasons stats: 1st Half v. 2nd Half ...

[1] Through 2003, he was a much better player in the 2nd half then he was the in 1st half, perhaps even giving the appearance of being a &quot;slow starter&quot;.
[2] In 2004, he completely flipped to being better in the 1st half than in the 2nd half.

2004 was his first year with the Cubs. This was his first year in Chicago where his 1st half numbers were not well above his 2nd half numbers.

We can speculate why. In the end we end up with varying levels of probability or confidence in our conclusion based on the different weighting we place on various aspects/sources. But, neither of us will be able to say, for certain, why DLee had such a poor start in 09 after being a &quot;1st half player&quot; in Chicago over the last 4 seasons.

His BABIP in the 1st half was way down, and in the 2nd half way up (I&#039;m not one of those that chalks it up to &quot;really bad luck&quot; anbd &quot;really good luck&quot;)

K-rate is about the same, walk rate is down in the 1st half. Makes me wonder if the lower walk rate, combined with the way down BABip, if in the 1st half he was &quot;pressing&quot; due to trying to over-compensate for Aramis&#039;s absence (swinging at pitches he might usually lay off of, perhaps borderline strike/ball pitches on corners, harder pitches to make good contact on), if he was getting pitched differently, or if he was battling through an injury ... or some combination of all 3 or something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked up Lee&#8217;s individual seasons stats: 1st Half v. 2nd Half &#8230;</p>
<p>[1] Through 2003, he was a much better player in the 2nd half then he was the in 1st half, perhaps even giving the appearance of being a &#8220;slow starter&#8221;.<br />
[2] In 2004, he completely flipped to being better in the 1st half than in the 2nd half.</p>
<p>2004 was his first year with the Cubs. This was his first year in Chicago where his 1st half numbers were not well above his 2nd half numbers.</p>
<p>We can speculate why. In the end we end up with varying levels of probability or confidence in our conclusion based on the different weighting we place on various aspects/sources. But, neither of us will be able to say, for certain, why DLee had such a poor start in 09 after being a &#8220;1st half player&#8221; in Chicago over the last 4 seasons.</p>
<p>His BABIP in the 1st half was way down, and in the 2nd half way up (I&#8217;m not one of those that chalks it up to &#8220;really bad luck&#8221; anbd &#8220;really good luck&#8221;)</p>
<p>K-rate is about the same, walk rate is down in the 1st half. Makes me wonder if the lower walk rate, combined with the way down BABip, if in the 1st half he was &#8220;pressing&#8221; due to trying to over-compensate for Aramis&#8217;s absence (swinging at pitches he might usually lay off of, perhaps borderline strike/ball pitches on corners, harder pitches to make good contact on), if he was getting pitched differently, or if he was battling through an injury &#8230; or some combination of all 3 or something else.</p>
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		<title>By: jirish</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110108</link>
		<dc:creator>jirish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derrek Lee is actually an awesome human being. He carries himself well on the baseball field, does a ton of charity work, and always gives it his all.  A lot of the Cubs players are very involved in the community, and even considering that, Lee stands out. I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s only the 4th best first baseman-that actually great for his age 35 season.  There are plenty of reasons beyond baseball to heap praise on him.  He&#039;s earned it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derrek Lee is actually an awesome human being. He carries himself well on the baseball field, does a ton of charity work, and always gives it his all.  A lot of the Cubs players are very involved in the community, and even considering that, Lee stands out. I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s only the 4th best first baseman-that actually great for his age 35 season.  There are plenty of reasons beyond baseball to heap praise on him.  He&#8217;s earned it.</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110084</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that here, at fangraphs, a study comparing the &quot;protection value&quot; of a batter with SLG of .450+ applies to EVERY situation in baseball regardless of whether we&#039;re talking about a &quot;protection&quot; batter with a SLG of .460 or .550 or .600.

Of course, it&#039;s correlation instead of causation, or luck, or small sample size, or something else ... but the one thing it CANNOT be is that not having Ramirez in the lineup affected how Lee was pitched or Lee&#039;s approach at the plate. It has to be *anything* but that because a study examining a general sample has to be apllied to every situation.

God forbid, someone look at something on a case-by-case basis, and consider all of the individual aspects of the situation. 

Derrek Lee got healthier and Ramirez returned to the lineup. I&#039;ll leave it to the know-it-alls to determine what % of performance is attributed to each specific aspect.

But, I suppose the fangraph&#039;s opinion is that Ramirez&#039;s absence had no measurable affect on Lee&#039;s performance. *Shrugs* ...or Clark&#039;s on McGee and Her, or rickey&#039;s and Canseco&#039;s on Lansford, or Bonds&#039; on Kent&#039;s performance, etc. You guys let me know when correlation become causation ... or what % of influence one situation has on another.

It&#039;s just a coincidence, why don&#039;t I just accept that as indisputable fact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that here, at fangraphs, a study comparing the &#8220;protection value&#8221; of a batter with SLG of .450+ applies to EVERY situation in baseball regardless of whether we&#8217;re talking about a &#8220;protection&#8221; batter with a SLG of .460 or .550 or .600.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s correlation instead of causation, or luck, or small sample size, or something else &#8230; but the one thing it CANNOT be is that not having Ramirez in the lineup affected how Lee was pitched or Lee&#8217;s approach at the plate. It has to be *anything* but that because a study examining a general sample has to be apllied to every situation.</p>
<p>God forbid, someone look at something on a case-by-case basis, and consider all of the individual aspects of the situation. </p>
<p>Derrek Lee got healthier and Ramirez returned to the lineup. I&#8217;ll leave it to the know-it-alls to determine what % of performance is attributed to each specific aspect.</p>
<p>But, I suppose the fangraph&#8217;s opinion is that Ramirez&#8217;s absence had no measurable affect on Lee&#8217;s performance. *Shrugs* &#8230;or Clark&#8217;s on McGee and Her, or rickey&#8217;s and Canseco&#8217;s on Lansford, or Bonds&#8217; on Kent&#8217;s performance, etc. You guys let me know when correlation become causation &#8230; or what % of influence one situation has on another.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a coincidence, why don&#8217;t I just accept that as indisputable fact?</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He definitely got off to a slow start, but what does Aramis Ramirez have to do with it?  This isn&#039;t the &lt;b&gt;&lt;a&gt;protection argument&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; again, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He definitely got off to a slow start, but what does Aramis Ramirez have to do with it?  This isn&#8217;t the <b><a>protection argument</a></b> again, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Choo</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110020</link>
		<dc:creator>Choo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Lee’s defense is better than Votto&#039;s . . .)

Maybe.  Lee was better in 2009 but Votto holds the slight edge from 2008-09.  Consider 2010 to be the tie-breaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Lee’s defense is better than Votto&#8217;s . . .)</p>
<p>Maybe.  Lee was better in 2009 but Votto holds the slight edge from 2008-09.  Consider 2010 to be the tie-breaker.</p>
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		<title>By: lincolndude</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/honoring-derrek-lee/#comment-110016</link>
		<dc:creator>lincolndude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His 2005 was magical indeed.  But if we&#039;re talking non-Pujols/Bonds/Rodriguez offense over the past decade, I&#039;ll take the Giambino c. &#039;00-&#039;02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His 2005 was magical indeed.  But if we&#8217;re talking non-Pujols/Bonds/Rodriguez offense over the past decade, I&#8217;ll take the Giambino c. &#8217;00-&#8217;02.</p>
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