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		<title>By: Mack Dobrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mack Dobrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful beat ! I would like to apprentice while you amend your site, how can i subscribe for a blog site? The account helped me a acceptable deal. I had been tiny bit acquainted of this your broadcast provided bright clear concept I&#039;m extremely impressed with your writing skills and also with the layout on your weblog. Is this a paid theme or did you customize it yourself? Anyway keep up the nice quality writing, it’s rare to see a nice blog like this one nowadays..</description>
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		<title>By: David MVP Eckstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David MVP Eckstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t screw &#039;em all up, I suppose.</description>
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		<title>By: David MVP Eckstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David MVP Eckstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I don&#039;t trust Wade&#039;s drafting skill, FYI. That&#039;s why I&#039;d rather have the 2 quality relievers on the cheap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I don&#8217;t trust Wade&#8217;s drafting skill, FYI. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;d rather have the 2 quality relievers on the cheap</p>
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		<title>By: David MVP Eckstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David MVP Eckstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine. They get draft picks in lieu of two quality relievers. And they spent too much money in the process</description>
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		<title>By: OremLK</title>
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		<dc:creator>OremLK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;5. Traded Juan Gutierrez, Chad Qualls and Chris Burke to the Dbacks for Jose Valverde. It is important to note that RPs are traditionally overvalued. They get a very limited innings load, limiting their value, and its hard to judge their true talent level. No reliever was worth +3 WAR last season and only ten were worth even +2 WAR. Qualls has been worth +3.3 WAR since the trade, has a year left under team control, and has been paid less than $4 million over the past two seasons (he will make ~$4.2 million in 2010). Gutierrez made his team debut last season and was worth +1.5 WAR. He’s is not arbitration eligible until 2011. No one cares about Chris Burke. On the other hand, Valverde was not worth even +1 WAR in either 2008 or 2009. He was cumulatively worth +1.5 WAR for the Astros, or what Juan Gutierrez did last season. On the other hand, whereas Juan Gutierrez was paid something in the ballpark of $400,000 in 2009, Jose Valverde was paid $12.7 million during his stay in Houston.&quot;

I just want to note that Houston wound up getting two draft picks (#19 and #33) out of this deal for the upcoming draft.  Also, they were able to trade Pudge Rodriguez for two C prospects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;5. Traded Juan Gutierrez, Chad Qualls and Chris Burke to the Dbacks for Jose Valverde. It is important to note that RPs are traditionally overvalued. They get a very limited innings load, limiting their value, and its hard to judge their true talent level. No reliever was worth +3 WAR last season and only ten were worth even +2 WAR. Qualls has been worth +3.3 WAR since the trade, has a year left under team control, and has been paid less than $4 million over the past two seasons (he will make ~$4.2 million in 2010). Gutierrez made his team debut last season and was worth +1.5 WAR. He’s is not arbitration eligible until 2011. No one cares about Chris Burke. On the other hand, Valverde was not worth even +1 WAR in either 2008 or 2009. He was cumulatively worth +1.5 WAR for the Astros, or what Juan Gutierrez did last season. On the other hand, whereas Juan Gutierrez was paid something in the ballpark of $400,000 in 2009, Jose Valverde was paid $12.7 million during his stay in Houston.&#8221;</p>
<p>I just want to note that Houston wound up getting two draft picks (#19 and #33) out of this deal for the upcoming draft.  Also, they were able to trade Pudge Rodriguez for two C prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: OremLK</title>
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		<dc:creator>OremLK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The cornerstones of the team have no trade clauses. Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, etc aren’t going anywhere. You couple that with the owner interfering and it is a difficult situation.&quot;

Exactly.  I&#039;m shocked by how little most people seem to understand this about Wade&#039;s situation.  Lee will not waive his no-trade clause.  Ever.  Nobody would take him without massive cash considerations even if he did.  Berkman and Oswalt would only even consider waiving theirs for the right team, which makes it much more difficult to trade them; couple that with an owner unlikely to ever approve a trade for any of the three, and Wade is beyond stuck.

He&#039;s made bad choices in free agency.  No doubt about that.  But how about giving him a little credit for the things he&#039;s done well?  Hiring scouting director Bobby Heck and actually getting in some good drafts.  The Michael Bourn trade.  Moving Pudge Rodriguez and actually getting something back for him.  Offering arbitration to Valverde and getting a pair of valuable draft picks in return.  These are just a few examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The cornerstones of the team have no trade clauses. Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, etc aren’t going anywhere. You couple that with the owner interfering and it is a difficult situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  I&#8217;m shocked by how little most people seem to understand this about Wade&#8217;s situation.  Lee will not waive his no-trade clause.  Ever.  Nobody would take him without massive cash considerations even if he did.  Berkman and Oswalt would only even consider waiving theirs for the right team, which makes it much more difficult to trade them; couple that with an owner unlikely to ever approve a trade for any of the three, and Wade is beyond stuck.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s made bad choices in free agency.  No doubt about that.  But how about giving him a little credit for the things he&#8217;s done well?  Hiring scouting director Bobby Heck and actually getting in some good drafts.  The Michael Bourn trade.  Moving Pudge Rodriguez and actually getting something back for him.  Offering arbitration to Valverde and getting a pair of valuable draft picks in return.  These are just a few examples.</p>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Michael Bourn trade was a huge plus from Ed Wade&#039;s standpoint.</description>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivaelpujols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s been worth the money so far.</description>
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		<title>By: David MVP Eckstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David MVP Eckstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what we said, amongst other things at:
 http://gameofinches.blogspot.com/2010/02/ed-wade-giving-extention-so-being-so.html

&quot;Since taking over the GM position in Houston towards the bitter end of the 2007 season, Wade has made the following moves (courtesy of MLB Trade Rumors) of significance (all contract data is courtesy of Cot&#039;s Contracts):

   1. Signing Kaz Matsui to a 3-year, $16.5 million deal. Matsui has been worth a cumulative +2.5 WAR through the first two years of his contract. 117 players, including 18 second basemen, were at least that valuable last season, according to Fangraphs.
   2. Extended Brian Moehler to a 2009 contract worth $2.3 million. Moehler was not even worth +1 WAR last season. Given the market value of a win in 2010 (~$3.5 million) this signing -- an undeniable waste of limited resources -- could have been worse I suppose. Why bother paying for less than a single additional win when you&#039;re a sub-.500 team? It&#039;s not like Moehler&#039;s +1.2 WAR 2008 lit the world of expectations on fire...
   3. Signing Pudge to a 1-year, $1.5 million deal. Despite Pudge&#039;s sub-1 WAR 2009 season, I actually like this deal. The Astros got a good defensive catcher on the cheap. Pudge only played 2/3 of a season and Fangraph&#039;s WAR system does not take in to account Fielding Runs Above Average (FRAR) due to the difficulty in calculating it, but CHONE pegs Pudge as a +3 run defender next season. I see Pudge more as 1.5 WAR catcher full time and you really good do worse considering the scarcity of talent at the position (see Mets, New York).
   4. Trading Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett to his former team, the Phillies, for Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Mike Costanzo. Michael Bourn alone made this deal a win. Despite a poor showing in 2008, Bourn was worth +4.2 WAR in center last season, thanks to an above average balance in fielding and hitting ability. Lidge on the other hand, despite the no-blown-saves bounce back season in 2008, was only worth +2.2 WAR in 2008 and a below replacement level -0.7 WAR last season. Geary is awful (+0.1 WAR since 2008) and Costanzo is a non-factor who was traded to the Orioles in the Tejada deal. Bruntlett is also pretty bad, for what it&#039;s worth (-1.1 WAR since being traded).
   5. Traded Juan Gutierrez, Chad Qualls and Chris Burke to the Dbacks for Jose Valverde. It is important to note that RPs are traditionally overvalued. They get a very limited innings load, limiting their value, and its hard to judge their true talent level. No reliever was worth +3 WAR last season and only ten were worth even +2 WAR. Qualls has been worth +3.3 WAR since the trade, has a year left under team control, and has been paid less than $4 million over the past two seasons (he will make ~$4.2 million in 2010). Gutierrez made his team debut last season and was worth +1.5 WAR. He&#039;s is not arbitration eligible until 2011. No one cares about Chris Burke. On the other hand, Valverde was not worth even +1 WAR in either 2008 or 2009. He was cumulatively worth +1.5 WAR for the Astros, or what Juan Gutierrez did last season. On the other hand, whereas Juan Gutierrez was paid something in the ballpark of $400,000 in 2009, Jose Valverde was paid $12.7 million during his stay in Houston.
   6. Traded Chad Reineke for Randy Wolf. 2008 was not a good year for the Padres selling low on players (see Edmonds, Jim). Wolf posted +1.1 WAR part-season in a meager 70 innings for the Astros. On the other hand, not even Oakland or San Diego can house the flyballs Chad Reineke serves up.
   7. Traded Luis Bryan, Robert Bono and Jorge Jimenez for Matt Lindstrom. Lindstrom is an average RP talent who has posted +1.4, +0.8 and +0.0 WAR seasons in the past three seasons. He is getting paid ~$1.6 million in 2010 and who knows how much money through his next two years of arbitration -- probably more than the $3.5 million market value per win. Fangraphs doesn&#039;t think too highly of any of the three prospects (especially Bryan, who drew 0 walks in 111 minor league PA&#039;s) Houston traded away -- largely because the Houston farm system doesn&#039;t have any prospects to trade away -- but I disagree with the conclusion that &quot;at such a low cost, this move makes a lot of sense for Houston.&quot; Lindstrom is turning 30 with decreasing control and largely succeed in 2007 and 2008 with sub-3% HR/FB rates. That&#039;s abnormally low, even for a relief pitcher. The average relief pitcher&#039;s HR/FB rate last season was 8.7%.
   8. Traded Luke Scott, Matt Albers, Mike Costanzo (see #4), Dennis Sarfate and Troy Patton for Miguel Tejada. Tejada was worth a quality +5.7 WAR during his stay upon the Astros. He was also handsomely rewarded, getting paid $26 million in the process. Turns out Tejada, like many other Dominican players, lied about his age -- not that that was the Astros fault. What Ed Wade got was a player at &quot;market value&quot; at best. Eleven other SS were worth at least +5.7 over the past two seasons, but none of them were acquirable through free agency. Luke Scott has hit 48 HR since moving to Baltimore (cumulative +3.7 WAR in just over 1,000 PA) to Tejada&#039;s 27 and has cost Baltimore less than $3 million in salary (and he will make just over $4 million in 2010, while remaining under team control for 2011). Albers has provided the O&#039;s with +1.0 WAR of value over the last two seasons and the rest of the players have not (nor will they do) jack for Baltimore. It seems like Houston took on a lot of salary for just +1 WAR of value, while the O&#039;s saved a ton and filled that 1 WAR gap by signing Cesar Izturis (+1.2 WAR last season for 2-years, $5 million. In terms of absolute value, the Astros managed a fine trade, but from the economic perspective -- that of the marginal valued added in respect to the cost -- the Astros get screwed. Between Albers (who was just as valuable as Moehler was for $2 million less) and Scott -- collectively worth +4.7 WAR over the past two seasons -- the Astros added +1 WAR in Miguel Tejada at the cost of $22 million of payroll.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what we said, amongst other things at:<br />
 <a href="http://gameofinches.blogspot.com/2010/02/ed-wade-giving-extention-so-being-so.html" rel="nofollow">http://gameofinches.blogspot.com/2010/02/ed-wade-giving-extention-so-being-so.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Since taking over the GM position in Houston towards the bitter end of the 2007 season, Wade has made the following moves (courtesy of MLB Trade Rumors) of significance (all contract data is courtesy of Cot&#8217;s Contracts):</p>
<p>   1. Signing Kaz Matsui to a 3-year, $16.5 million deal. Matsui has been worth a cumulative +2.5 WAR through the first two years of his contract. 117 players, including 18 second basemen, were at least that valuable last season, according to Fangraphs.<br />
   2. Extended Brian Moehler to a 2009 contract worth $2.3 million. Moehler was not even worth +1 WAR last season. Given the market value of a win in 2010 (~$3.5 million) this signing &#8212; an undeniable waste of limited resources &#8212; could have been worse I suppose. Why bother paying for less than a single additional win when you&#8217;re a sub-.500 team? It&#8217;s not like Moehler&#8217;s +1.2 WAR 2008 lit the world of expectations on fire&#8230;<br />
   3. Signing Pudge to a 1-year, $1.5 million deal. Despite Pudge&#8217;s sub-1 WAR 2009 season, I actually like this deal. The Astros got a good defensive catcher on the cheap. Pudge only played 2/3 of a season and Fangraph&#8217;s WAR system does not take in to account Fielding Runs Above Average (FRAR) due to the difficulty in calculating it, but CHONE pegs Pudge as a +3 run defender next season. I see Pudge more as 1.5 WAR catcher full time and you really good do worse considering the scarcity of talent at the position (see Mets, New York).<br />
   4. Trading Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett to his former team, the Phillies, for Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Mike Costanzo. Michael Bourn alone made this deal a win. Despite a poor showing in 2008, Bourn was worth +4.2 WAR in center last season, thanks to an above average balance in fielding and hitting ability. Lidge on the other hand, despite the no-blown-saves bounce back season in 2008, was only worth +2.2 WAR in 2008 and a below replacement level -0.7 WAR last season. Geary is awful (+0.1 WAR since 2008) and Costanzo is a non-factor who was traded to the Orioles in the Tejada deal. Bruntlett is also pretty bad, for what it&#8217;s worth (-1.1 WAR since being traded).<br />
   5. Traded Juan Gutierrez, Chad Qualls and Chris Burke to the Dbacks for Jose Valverde. It is important to note that RPs are traditionally overvalued. They get a very limited innings load, limiting their value, and its hard to judge their true talent level. No reliever was worth +3 WAR last season and only ten were worth even +2 WAR. Qualls has been worth +3.3 WAR since the trade, has a year left under team control, and has been paid less than $4 million over the past two seasons (he will make ~$4.2 million in 2010). Gutierrez made his team debut last season and was worth +1.5 WAR. He&#8217;s is not arbitration eligible until 2011. No one cares about Chris Burke. On the other hand, Valverde was not worth even +1 WAR in either 2008 or 2009. He was cumulatively worth +1.5 WAR for the Astros, or what Juan Gutierrez did last season. On the other hand, whereas Juan Gutierrez was paid something in the ballpark of $400,000 in 2009, Jose Valverde was paid $12.7 million during his stay in Houston.<br />
   6. Traded Chad Reineke for Randy Wolf. 2008 was not a good year for the Padres selling low on players (see Edmonds, Jim). Wolf posted +1.1 WAR part-season in a meager 70 innings for the Astros. On the other hand, not even Oakland or San Diego can house the flyballs Chad Reineke serves up.<br />
   7. Traded Luis Bryan, Robert Bono and Jorge Jimenez for Matt Lindstrom. Lindstrom is an average RP talent who has posted +1.4, +0.8 and +0.0 WAR seasons in the past three seasons. He is getting paid ~$1.6 million in 2010 and who knows how much money through his next two years of arbitration &#8212; probably more than the $3.5 million market value per win. Fangraphs doesn&#8217;t think too highly of any of the three prospects (especially Bryan, who drew 0 walks in 111 minor league PA&#8217;s) Houston traded away &#8212; largely because the Houston farm system doesn&#8217;t have any prospects to trade away &#8212; but I disagree with the conclusion that &#8220;at such a low cost, this move makes a lot of sense for Houston.&#8221; Lindstrom is turning 30 with decreasing control and largely succeed in 2007 and 2008 with sub-3% HR/FB rates. That&#8217;s abnormally low, even for a relief pitcher. The average relief pitcher&#8217;s HR/FB rate last season was 8.7%.<br />
   8. Traded Luke Scott, Matt Albers, Mike Costanzo (see #4), Dennis Sarfate and Troy Patton for Miguel Tejada. Tejada was worth a quality +5.7 WAR during his stay upon the Astros. He was also handsomely rewarded, getting paid $26 million in the process. Turns out Tejada, like many other Dominican players, lied about his age &#8212; not that that was the Astros fault. What Ed Wade got was a player at &#8220;market value&#8221; at best. Eleven other SS were worth at least +5.7 over the past two seasons, but none of them were acquirable through free agency. Luke Scott has hit 48 HR since moving to Baltimore (cumulative +3.7 WAR in just over 1,000 PA) to Tejada&#8217;s 27 and has cost Baltimore less than $3 million in salary (and he will make just over $4 million in 2010, while remaining under team control for 2011). Albers has provided the O&#8217;s with +1.0 WAR of value over the last two seasons and the rest of the players have not (nor will they do) jack for Baltimore. It seems like Houston took on a lot of salary for just +1 WAR of value, while the O&#8217;s saved a ton and filled that 1 WAR gap by signing Cesar Izturis (+1.2 WAR last season for 2-years, $5 million. In terms of absolute value, the Astros managed a fine trade, but from the economic perspective &#8212; that of the marginal valued added in respect to the cost &#8212; the Astros get screwed. Between Albers (who was just as valuable as Moehler was for $2 million less) and Scott &#8212; collectively worth +4.7 WAR over the past two seasons &#8212; the Astros added +1 WAR in Miguel Tejada at the cost of $22 million of payroll.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jfish26101</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cornerstones of the team have no trade clauses.  Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, etc aren&#039;t going anywhere.  You couple that with the owner interfering and it is a difficult situation.  

I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with defending someone being labeled as one of the worst GMs in baseball when his hands are tied behind his back and his former team (a team he helped build) just won the WS.  It isn&#039;t about settling for mediocrity, it&#039;s about fairly judging him.  He is a nice guy and I get tired of seeing people dump on him many of which are just talking out of their hinds.  If you think McLane is the problem, then say that and cut him just a little slack.  I wouldn&#039;t put him on a list of great GMs but he could be in the ball park of average (perhaps a little over or under, hard to say given the situation he is in now) if he were free to do what he wants I imagine.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with defending someone being labeled as one of the worst GMs in baseball when his hands are tied behind his back and his former team (a team he helped build) just won the WS.  It isn&#8217;t about settling for mediocrity, it&#8217;s about fairly judging him.  He is a nice guy and I get tired of seeing people dump on him many of which are just talking out of their hinds.  If you think McLane is the problem, then say that and cut him just a little slack.  I wouldn&#8217;t put him on a list of great GMs but he could be in the ball park of average (perhaps a little over or under, hard to say given the situation he is in now) if he were free to do what he wants I imagine.</p>
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