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		<title>By: Actuality</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j-d-drews-contract/#comment-281770</link>
		<dc:creator>Actuality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really Reality?  You actually would of rather had Johnny Damon play for the Red Sox than J.D. Drew?  Even though  J.D. Drew had a higher OBP and OPS, more HRs, and was significantly better defensively?  Ah but of course, Johnny Damon was also one of the &quot;idiots&quot;, right?  A dirt dog, and all that?  Because, you know, those are the *intangibles* that are really the most important when it comes to composing a winning baseball team.  Those immeasurable qualities a player must possess in order to be a winner.

If you couldn&#039;t already tell, I could not disagree more with your statement that he is the &quot;most overrated player in baseball, period.&quot;  If anything, I think he is very underrated, which I believe most of these posters would agree with.  As someone said above, his skill set is not cater to driving in runs, but scoring them, which is actually the goal in baseball, I&#039;m not sure you know.  I wish I could find the actual numbers, but I believe that on a rate basis, J.D. Drew is only behind ARod and Manny this decade in scoring runs (If someone could find the actual numbers it would be great).  He can do everything on a baseball field well, and in the small stretches that he gets hot, he is one of the best players in baseball.

Oh and by the way please do not use names like &quot;Julie Drew&quot;, it only cheapens your argument and makes you look like a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really Reality?  You actually would of rather had Johnny Damon play for the Red Sox than J.D. Drew?  Even though  J.D. Drew had a higher OBP and OPS, more HRs, and was significantly better defensively?  Ah but of course, Johnny Damon was also one of the &#8220;idiots&#8221;, right?  A dirt dog, and all that?  Because, you know, those are the *intangibles* that are really the most important when it comes to composing a winning baseball team.  Those immeasurable qualities a player must possess in order to be a winner.</p>
<p>If you couldn&#8217;t already tell, I could not disagree more with your statement that he is the &#8220;most overrated player in baseball, period.&#8221;  If anything, I think he is very underrated, which I believe most of these posters would agree with.  As someone said above, his skill set is not cater to driving in runs, but scoring them, which is actually the goal in baseball, I&#8217;m not sure you know.  I wish I could find the actual numbers, but I believe that on a rate basis, J.D. Drew is only behind ARod and Manny this decade in scoring runs (If someone could find the actual numbers it would be great).  He can do everything on a baseball field well, and in the small stretches that he gets hot, he is one of the best players in baseball.</p>
<p>Oh and by the way please do not use names like &#8220;Julie Drew&#8221;, it only cheapens your argument and makes you look like a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j-d-drews-contract/#comment-244403</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compare Julie Drew to a guy like Johnny Damon, who the Red Sox thought was done before they signed Drew.

In the last 4 years Damon has scored more runs than Drew, driven in more runs than Drew, stolen way more bases than Drew, and hit for better average than Drew by a long ways. 

There is no way you can put together enough cute numbers to make the case that Drew has even been better than Johnny Damon at the end of his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare Julie Drew to a guy like Johnny Damon, who the Red Sox thought was done before they signed Drew.</p>
<p>In the last 4 years Damon has scored more runs than Drew, driven in more runs than Drew, stolen way more bases than Drew, and hit for better average than Drew by a long ways. </p>
<p>There is no way you can put together enough cute numbers to make the case that Drew has even been better than Johnny Damon at the end of his career.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j-d-drews-contract/#comment-244387</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to rain on the JD Drew praise parade but he is the most overrated player in baseball, period.

In his 4 years with Boston he has never, not once, driven in 70 runs. That is a pathetic truth that is only more pathetic when you realize he is always batting in the heart of a lineup that constantly has men on base. He is awful in the clutch, just awful, and I watch all of the Sox games. Just because he hit one grand slam in the playoffs doesn&#039;t erase 4 years od futility.

His problem is that he watches sooooo many 3rd strikes in situations that scream DO NOT WATCH A 3RD STRIKE! He rarely moves runners over and he is the king of the solo home run, not that he hits many of those for a rightfielder.

Your system may work overall, but in the case of JD Drew, your system stinks. He does not result in net wins for the Sox. Put an average outfielder in right for Boston, and bat him in the heart of the lineup, and you&#039;ll get 100 rbi per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to rain on the JD Drew praise parade but he is the most overrated player in baseball, period.</p>
<p>In his 4 years with Boston he has never, not once, driven in 70 runs. That is a pathetic truth that is only more pathetic when you realize he is always batting in the heart of a lineup that constantly has men on base. He is awful in the clutch, just awful, and I watch all of the Sox games. Just because he hit one grand slam in the playoffs doesn&#8217;t erase 4 years od futility.</p>
<p>His problem is that he watches sooooo many 3rd strikes in situations that scream DO NOT WATCH A 3RD STRIKE! He rarely moves runners over and he is the king of the solo home run, not that he hits many of those for a rightfielder.</p>
<p>Your system may work overall, but in the case of JD Drew, your system stinks. He does not result in net wins for the Sox. Put an average outfielder in right for Boston, and bat him in the heart of the lineup, and you&#8217;ll get 100 rbi per year.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Mosovsky</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j-d-drews-contract/#comment-199143</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Mosovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you are saying forget the numbers, then mentioning numbers yourself.  I think that PA is a pretty good example of playing time, or how about innings in the field?  He seems to have more than some hall of famers I would guess.  His stats are just as good as some.  He contributes to his team winning.  I personally think that the hall of fame&#039;s selection criteria is lacking, but he is quite the good ball player and better than many hall of famers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you are saying forget the numbers, then mentioning numbers yourself.  I think that PA is a pretty good example of playing time, or how about innings in the field?  He seems to have more than some hall of famers I would guess.  His stats are just as good as some.  He contributes to his team winning.  I personally think that the hall of fame&#8217;s selection criteria is lacking, but he is quite the good ball player and better than many hall of famers.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.
Football&#039;s skills draw from a lot more primal instincts, like toughness and endurance. Playing through pain fosters to that.

Baseball? Baseball is far more dependent on skill. The slightest problem can cause significant erosion in skills. If your back hurts, you&#039;re better off sitting out 2 games instead of feebly going 0 for 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.<br />
Football&#8217;s skills draw from a lot more primal instincts, like toughness and endurance. Playing through pain fosters to that.</p>
<p>Baseball? Baseball is far more dependent on skill. The slightest problem can cause significant erosion in skills. If your back hurts, you&#8217;re better off sitting out 2 games instead of feebly going 0 for 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, if you really had 9 JD Drews, you&#039;d need a lot more than 9 of them. Okay, couldn&#039;t resist. 

Seriously, I think that many players, when they do play hurt, typically play worse than their own healthier backups would have played, and they also often hurt themselves worse than they were originally hurt, requiring giving even more playing time to more backups. I really do prefer players who admit when they&#039;re hurt and who are willing to take some time off to heal. Baseball isn&#039;t football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, if you really had 9 JD Drews, you&#8217;d need a lot more than 9 of them. Okay, couldn&#8217;t resist. </p>
<p>Seriously, I think that many players, when they do play hurt, typically play worse than their own healthier backups would have played, and they also often hurt themselves worse than they were originally hurt, requiring giving even more playing time to more backups. I really do prefer players who admit when they&#8217;re hurt and who are willing to take some time off to heal. Baseball isn&#8217;t football.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s just a lot better than you and a lot of people give him credit for. At the worst, he justifies his free agent contract and I&#039;ve been very happy that he&#039;s on my team the past 2 years.

HoF was probably a bridge too far, but I will say that I&#039;d rather go into a season w/ 9 J.D. Drew&#039;s over 9 Jim Rice&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s just a lot better than you and a lot of people give him credit for. At the worst, he justifies his free agent contract and I&#8217;ve been very happy that he&#8217;s on my team the past 2 years.</p>
<p>HoF was probably a bridge too far, but I will say that I&#8217;d rather go into a season w/ 9 J.D. Drew&#8217;s over 9 Jim Rice&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would YOU vote J.D. Drew into the hall of fame? I mean c&#039;mon forget the numbers for a minute, were all baseball fans here and I know as well as you do that J.D. is simply not a HOFer. The guy has played the equivalent of like 8 seasons when you take his injuries into account. He has had 100 runs 1 time, 100 RBI one time. How many hall of famers do you know with those types of numbers. His rate stats are good but who cares? He doesn&#039;t play enough to make them matter. If he is your definition of a Hall of Famer, then that is a very liberal definition, an absurd one actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would YOU vote J.D. Drew into the hall of fame? I mean c&#8217;mon forget the numbers for a minute, were all baseball fans here and I know as well as you do that J.D. is simply not a HOFer. The guy has played the equivalent of like 8 seasons when you take his injuries into account. He has had 100 runs 1 time, 100 RBI one time. How many hall of famers do you know with those types of numbers. His rate stats are good but who cares? He doesn&#8217;t play enough to make them matter. If he is your definition of a Hall of Famer, then that is a very liberal definition, an absurd one actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, J.D. Drew (5,321 career PA&#039;s) doesn&#039;t play enough. He should be more like Roy Campanella (4,816 PA&#039;s), or Frank Chance (5,099 PA&#039;s), or Chick Hafey (5,113 PA&#039;s).

And how many OF&#039;s have been better in the &quot;given time period&quot;, whatever that is?

Okay:
OPS+ rankings for OF, 2000-09, min 3000 PA:

B. Bonds: 221
M. Ramirez: 160
V. Guerrero: 146
S. Sosa: 142
J. Edmonds: 140
G. Sheffield: 140
B. Giles: 136
M. Holliday: 133
M. Ordonez: 132
B. Abreu: 132
A. Dunn: 131
J. Drew: 131

So he&#039;s been very close to the top 10 offensive OF&#039;s in the last decade. In front of him are mostly sub par to terrible fielders (and the unbelievably underrated Jim Edmonds).

Drew having a Hall case may be an exaggeration, but what numbers does he NOT have? Maybe he should just hack more and play hurt so he can run himself down like Soriano did in 2009. That&#039;s better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, J.D. Drew (5,321 career PA&#8217;s) doesn&#8217;t play enough. He should be more like Roy Campanella (4,816 PA&#8217;s), or Frank Chance (5,099 PA&#8217;s), or Chick Hafey (5,113 PA&#8217;s).</p>
<p>And how many OF&#8217;s have been better in the &#8220;given time period&#8221;, whatever that is?</p>
<p>Okay:<br />
OPS+ rankings for OF, 2000-09, min 3000 PA:</p>
<p>B. Bonds: 221<br />
M. Ramirez: 160<br />
V. Guerrero: 146<br />
S. Sosa: 142<br />
J. Edmonds: 140<br />
G. Sheffield: 140<br />
B. Giles: 136<br />
M. Holliday: 133<br />
M. Ordonez: 132<br />
B. Abreu: 132<br />
A. Dunn: 131<br />
J. Drew: 131</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s been very close to the top 10 offensive OF&#8217;s in the last decade. In front of him are mostly sub par to terrible fielders (and the unbelievably underrated Jim Edmonds).</p>
<p>Drew having a Hall case may be an exaggeration, but what numbers does he NOT have? Maybe he should just hack more and play hurt so he can run himself down like Soriano did in 2009. That&#8217;s better.</p>
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		<title>By: alskor</title>
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		<dc:creator>alskor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W/regards to Baldelli&#039;s numbers this year: SSS.

Everyone is focused on Baldelli&#039;s skill set. The real issue isnt Baldelli though - the point is they can afford a good 4th OF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W/regards to Baldelli&#8217;s numbers this year: SSS.</p>
<p>Everyone is focused on Baldelli&#8217;s skill set. The real issue isnt Baldelli though &#8211; the point is they can afford a good 4th OF.</p>
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