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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-89301</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fangraphs and Joe Posnanski should just do a joint dismantling of the Royals front office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fangraphs and Joe Posnanski should just do a joint dismantling of the Royals front office.</p>
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		<title>By: RaysBaseball</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-89270</link>
		<dc:creator>RaysBaseball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow did you hit the nail on the head with this one or what?

Good call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow did you hit the nail on the head with this one or what?</p>
<p>Good call.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-89268</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Eric, think this post should be sent to Harold Reynolds, Jon Heyman, and the rest of the MLB Network talking heads.

+1 for nerds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Eric, think this post should be sent to Harold Reynolds, Jon Heyman, and the rest of the MLB Network talking heads.</p>
<p>+1 for nerds</p>
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		<title>By: HuskerBadgerCav</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60776</link>
		<dc:creator>HuskerBadgerCav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, silly me.  I forgot mention defense.  How bad are you defensively when you are replaced for defensive purposes by Jorge Cantu?  Simple.  Mike Jacobs bad.  

I&#039;m thinking that bringing back Bo Jackson or Steve Balboni at first base instead of Jacobs could be a defensive step up depending on how well Bo gets around on that artificial hip, and how well Balboni gets around in his wheelchair.

The Royals will even sell more tickets with the move!  Just think of the human drama!  George Brett attending games cheering on Bo or Balboni vying to be the first man to win a strikeout title in three separate decades!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, silly me.  I forgot mention defense.  How bad are you defensively when you are replaced for defensive purposes by Jorge Cantu?  Simple.  Mike Jacobs bad.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that bringing back Bo Jackson or Steve Balboni at first base instead of Jacobs could be a defensive step up depending on how well Bo gets around on that artificial hip, and how well Balboni gets around in his wheelchair.</p>
<p>The Royals will even sell more tickets with the move!  Just think of the human drama!  George Brett attending games cheering on Bo or Balboni vying to be the first man to win a strikeout title in three separate decades!</p>
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		<title>By: HuskerBadgerCav</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60774</link>
		<dc:creator>HuskerBadgerCav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the initial concept of this thread, and second the notion of puzzlement about how certain GM&#039;s, club officials, and those in the media who should know better continue to shine us on, drumming up support for &#039;new&#039;, but not appreciably &#039;better&#039; players.

It is amazingly puzzling when looking at the Mike Jacobs trade.  GM&#039;s, at least today in the modern game, SHOULD have a clear understanding of statistics, or at least know enough to surround themselves with those who DO understand them.  

Mike Jacobs is a bad first baseman.  There&#039;s really no other way to sugar coat this.  With his strikeouts, and % of balls put in play leading to outs, if he has a good year like last year and hits 30HR&#039;s he nets you ZERO wins.  Last year, by most projections, was a good year for Jacobs and it is not even clear he can repeat those numbers, in fact he is not expected to according to most projections.  If this happens it means he will COST your team wins above replacement.  Yes, Ross Gload was also bad, but actually, believe it or not, he was only like .8 games worse.  So what does this all mean?

I&#039;ll tell you what it means.  It means that the Royals traded a serviceable reliever, (a reliever who have been kept or traded for something else useful) for a player so bad that on a good year he&#039;s worth +ZERO wins to your team, a player who must be paid money for several years, a player who could actually be worth negative wins next year if he can&#039;t repeat.  The type of player who blocks anything serviceable that could be picked up from the minors or a trade or engineered between Gordon or Butler.  

So I&#039;m just trying to comprehend this move.  Is it out of sheer statistical ignorance?  Is it about Moore thinking he needs a token power hitter to sell tickets?  If so could we just bring Bo Jackson or Steve Balboni back instead?

And we are told this is a good move for the Royals.  Now they have a power hitter, and established first baseman.  Hooray!  A new player!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the initial concept of this thread, and second the notion of puzzlement about how certain GM&#8217;s, club officials, and those in the media who should know better continue to shine us on, drumming up support for &#8216;new&#8217;, but not appreciably &#8216;better&#8217; players.</p>
<p>It is amazingly puzzling when looking at the Mike Jacobs trade.  GM&#8217;s, at least today in the modern game, SHOULD have a clear understanding of statistics, or at least know enough to surround themselves with those who DO understand them.  </p>
<p>Mike Jacobs is a bad first baseman.  There&#8217;s really no other way to sugar coat this.  With his strikeouts, and % of balls put in play leading to outs, if he has a good year like last year and hits 30HR&#8217;s he nets you ZERO wins.  Last year, by most projections, was a good year for Jacobs and it is not even clear he can repeat those numbers, in fact he is not expected to according to most projections.  If this happens it means he will COST your team wins above replacement.  Yes, Ross Gload was also bad, but actually, believe it or not, he was only like .8 games worse.  So what does this all mean?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what it means.  It means that the Royals traded a serviceable reliever, (a reliever who have been kept or traded for something else useful) for a player so bad that on a good year he&#8217;s worth +ZERO wins to your team, a player who must be paid money for several years, a player who could actually be worth negative wins next year if he can&#8217;t repeat.  The type of player who blocks anything serviceable that could be picked up from the minors or a trade or engineered between Gordon or Butler.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m just trying to comprehend this move.  Is it out of sheer statistical ignorance?  Is it about Moore thinking he needs a token power hitter to sell tickets?  If so could we just bring Bo Jackson or Steve Balboni back instead?</p>
<p>And we are told this is a good move for the Royals.  Now they have a power hitter, and established first baseman.  Hooray!  A new player!</p>
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		<title>By: NYRoyal</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60371</link>
		<dc:creator>NYRoyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one goes by 2007 and 2008 stats, both Meche and Greinke are better than #3 starters, looking at AL SP&#039;s empirically and those two pitchers to their peers.

http://www.royalsreview.com/2008/10/19/638368/how-good-is-a-1-2-3-4-5-st
http://www.statcorner.com/blog/2008/10/rotation-slots-by-tra.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one goes by 2007 and 2008 stats, both Meche and Greinke are better than #3 starters, looking at AL SP&#8217;s empirically and those two pitchers to their peers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.royalsreview.com/2008/10/19/638368/how-good-is-a-1-2-3-4-5-st" rel="nofollow">http://www.royalsreview.com/2008/10/19/638368/how-good-is-a-1-2-3-4-5-st</a><br />
<a href="http://www.statcorner.com/blog/2008/10/rotation-slots-by-tra.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.statcorner.com/blog/2008/10/rotation-slots-by-tra.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: NYRoyal</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60369</link>
		<dc:creator>NYRoyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moore actually thinks having a lefty starter is important.  So important that he might push HoRam into a role where he is virtually certain to be an epic failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moore actually thinks having a lefty starter is important.  So important that he might push HoRam into a role where he is virtually certain to be an epic failure.</p>
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		<title>By: NYRoyal</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60368</link>
		<dc:creator>NYRoyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, the numbers say that the Royals will likely win about 78 games.  A few things break right and they could hit .500.  That&#039;s about it.  And Moore&#039;s acquisitions this offseason add up to a minimal improvement.  Standing pat would have given rise to a similar run/win total.  Using that money to sign actually good players would have been even better.

Investing many millions in below average and replacement level players is about the worst thing a GM can do.  Well, I guess he could have given Greinke his unconditional release.  That would have been worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, the numbers say that the Royals will likely win about 78 games.  A few things break right and they could hit .500.  That&#8217;s about it.  And Moore&#8217;s acquisitions this offseason add up to a minimal improvement.  Standing pat would have given rise to a similar run/win total.  Using that money to sign actually good players would have been even better.</p>
<p>Investing many millions in below average and replacement level players is about the worst thing a GM can do.  Well, I guess he could have given Greinke his unconditional release.  That would have been worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seidman</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60365</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, it&#039;s great that you can all engage in a baseball discussion, but it seems a lot of you are off topic.  I didn&#039;t write this post to discuss whether or not the Royals would be .500 or not this season.  I wrote it because of how irritating it is that certain high-profile analysts so easily confuse acquiring NEW players with acquiring GOOD players.

The Royals may very well be .500 next season but they WILL NOT be the 2008 Rays, and the moves they made in the off-season will not help their improvement as much as the individual improvements of people like Hochevar, Butler, Gordon, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, it&#8217;s great that you can all engage in a baseball discussion, but it seems a lot of you are off topic.  I didn&#8217;t write this post to discuss whether or not the Royals would be .500 or not this season.  I wrote it because of how irritating it is that certain high-profile analysts so easily confuse acquiring NEW players with acquiring GOOD players.</p>
<p>The Royals may very well be .500 next season but they WILL NOT be the 2008 Rays, and the moves they made in the off-season will not help their improvement as much as the individual improvements of people like Hochevar, Butler, Gordon, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: KingKirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/kc-tb-seriously/#comment-60364</link>
		<dc:creator>KingKirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should take a look at the back end of more rotations if you think the Royals back end is &quot;so weak.&quot; 4.51 and 5.11 FIPs from the #4/5 guys, both of whom are young enough to improve..as well as a 4.32 FIP from the #3...who could also get better...that&#039;s not bad at all. The Royals have five potentially solid or better starting pitchers. What actually will happen? I don&#039;t know..but the way things look on paper, I don&#039;t see how you can say the Royals rotation is weak in any way. It&#039;s not a playoff quality rotation, perhaps, but it&#039;s far from a bad one...which seems to be what you are implying.

Gordon has a ton of raw power. He had an OPS+ of 110 last year and had 20+ HR power last year, along with a 91 point difference between batting average and OBP. I don&#039;t see what among his numbers indicates that he is or was struggling last season...and given his 2nd half numbers..a breakout seems very possible. He even got better against LHPs towards the latter part of last season. Gordon is in no danger whatsoever of being platooned and will almost certainly be a solid 3B next year, potentiall a pretty good one. He improved in literally every single category last year..especially in the 2nd half of the year, where the improvment was dramatic and clearly visible. He&#039;ll be fine. He may never live up to the insane George Brett hype, but he&#039;s already a decent hitter and will only be 25 next year. 

I don&#039;t think they are an 85 win team with &quot;no improvement.&quot; I think they are about a .500 team right now. Some players need to continue to develop to get there, but I don&#039;t think they need an extraordinary amount of &quot;breaks&quot; or things going right to get there. Take away the ABs of Gload, Tony Pena Jr. and Joey Gathright. There&#039;s a little improvement. Gordon gets a little better perhaps. Butler (showing up to ST in good shape for the first time, by all accounts) gets a little better. Aviles for a full season. Callaspo (.361 OBP last year) perhaps for a full season. Hochevar and Davies improve. All of those things are realistic. I don&#039;t expect every single thing to happen, but I think you can count on some of them happening....and I think that projects to a fairly decent team..and given the weakness of the division...who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should take a look at the back end of more rotations if you think the Royals back end is &#8220;so weak.&#8221; 4.51 and 5.11 FIPs from the #4/5 guys, both of whom are young enough to improve..as well as a 4.32 FIP from the #3&#8230;who could also get better&#8230;that&#8217;s not bad at all. The Royals have five potentially solid or better starting pitchers. What actually will happen? I don&#8217;t know..but the way things look on paper, I don&#8217;t see how you can say the Royals rotation is weak in any way. It&#8217;s not a playoff quality rotation, perhaps, but it&#8217;s far from a bad one&#8230;which seems to be what you are implying.</p>
<p>Gordon has a ton of raw power. He had an OPS+ of 110 last year and had 20+ HR power last year, along with a 91 point difference between batting average and OBP. I don&#8217;t see what among his numbers indicates that he is or was struggling last season&#8230;and given his 2nd half numbers..a breakout seems very possible. He even got better against LHPs towards the latter part of last season. Gordon is in no danger whatsoever of being platooned and will almost certainly be a solid 3B next year, potentiall a pretty good one. He improved in literally every single category last year..especially in the 2nd half of the year, where the improvment was dramatic and clearly visible. He&#8217;ll be fine. He may never live up to the insane George Brett hype, but he&#8217;s already a decent hitter and will only be 25 next year. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they are an 85 win team with &#8220;no improvement.&#8221; I think they are about a .500 team right now. Some players need to continue to develop to get there, but I don&#8217;t think they need an extraordinary amount of &#8220;breaks&#8221; or things going right to get there. Take away the ABs of Gload, Tony Pena Jr. and Joey Gathright. There&#8217;s a little improvement. Gordon gets a little better perhaps. Butler (showing up to ST in good shape for the first time, by all accounts) gets a little better. Aviles for a full season. Callaspo (.361 OBP last year) perhaps for a full season. Hochevar and Davies improve. All of those things are realistic. I don&#8217;t expect every single thing to happen, but I think you can count on some of them happening&#8230;.and I think that projects to a fairly decent team..and given the weakness of the division&#8230;who knows.</p>
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