If a pitcher can induce tons of grounders while limiting walks and homers, that’s just as valuable as one that strikes out a ton of guys.

I only post in here today because I’m all riled up after Mark Buehrle scored one for the worm killers.

just curious about that. i thought i saw a similar phenomenon for D. Lowe too, at least prior to this year. seems like for GB pitchers, the FIP projection is on average a good bit higher than their actual ERA.

In my defense, prior to this year I’ve never been much of a baseball fan so I’m still learning all the players, managers, etc.

Marquis has more wins. Yes, wins are based on how the team does and is a flawed stat, but it is what it is. He has a better era, also a flawed stat, but this is even more so it is what it is. marquis has given up fewer earned runs? Luckier babip? Yeah, so? This is akin to a trader going to his boss and saying ya know, the stocks and bonds I picked were fundamentally much stronger-uh, unfortunately, they went down and the other guy got lucky and chose a stock that went up even though it is way overvalued.

Marquis, of course, has induced a lot of grounders. So has Jimenez, but marquis’s perecentage is a tad higher. marquis also has walked fewer batters.

You can complain all you want to about the fact Jimenez SHOULD have been luckier, given up fewer hits based on his kl rate. He didn’t. And he certainly walked more, not many, but enough. And the runs scored by the rockies in their 17 starts each were almost thes ame. 79 for marquis, 75 for jimenez. So, I guess they were placed better for Marquis, but the only reason that might matter is as a predictor of their future results. On results to date, marquis has him beat.

Is Jimenez a better pitcher? Oh, sure he is. Has he been better year to date? Well, maybe. Marquis has had very nice results. You fangraphoids even had an article about him that didn’t completely dismiss him. And teams are ranked by, uh, how many games they win and lose. Rockies have won more of marquis’ starts, whoever gets the credit. And yes, he has given up a few more unearned runs than Ubaldo, but in 8 more innings.

Actually, Ubaldo does get a little wilder as a game goes on. That has been an issue with him, perhaps even more than the early innings. For example, he lost the Arizona game July 5, was leading until the 6th, had a no hitter thru 4 or so, he gave up 3 runs in the 6th and one in the 7th and walked 5 guys. May 27th against Dodgers he had bad luck but led the game and gave up 3 in 7th and lost a game he was leading.

And when is Marquis going to go 11-5 with a sub 4 era in Coors again by the break? he should go. Jimenez will presumably get another shot. But even if he doesn’t, you can’t penalize a guy because he didn’t get it done the way you want him to. Yes, process beats results in planning for the future, but for a selection based on results that have, ya know, resulted already, you have to look at what happened. nless you want to change the game of baseball completely and say it doesn’t matter how many games teams win, at the end of the season we’ll do a regression of all babips, k rates, homer to flyball rates, come up with how many runs SHOULD have been scored and given up by each team, do a pythagorean for their expected w-l based on that and call the winner of that exercise champions.

If Marquis had in fact given up 5 runs a game and still went 11-5, i wouldn’t send him. He didn’t. He gave up the fewer walks. He got the grounders, the dp at the right time, or got the key out late in aclose game instead of weakening, whatever.

And frankly, even if he K’d no one and was rescued by stellar d left and right that somehow failed to show for Jimenez, I’d still want to see that flukey lucky guy. Justlike i wanted to see Fidrych back in his magical season in the ’70s even though he was striking out no one. not that marquis is that kinda fan favorite or show, but you get the idea. He did it. Why deny it?

I’m under the impression that you think Manuel is the manager of the Rockies. There’s no other way your post makes sense.

Go Rockies!