Comments on: MLB Trade Value ’08: #11 – #15 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:03:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marc Fuller http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-114299 Marc Fuller Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:19:59 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-114299 Interesting blog post!For me and my wife the holiday season is always a time of distress. Here is why:Fist, we always try to get Interesting blog post!For me and my wife the holiday season is always a time of distress. Here is why:Fist, we always try to get

]]> By: Dave Cameron http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36815 Dave Cameron Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:24:39 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36815 Phillips as an SS wouldn't change his value much in my mind. He'd get a few more opportunities, but the increased value due to position scarcity would be offset by his lessened defensive value relative to other SS. In five years, I'd bet that B.J. is still a bit more valuable than his brother. B.J. will be 28 and in his prime - I expect a few Carlos Beltran type seasons from him. Justin will be a terrific hitter, but won't have the same defensive value, and will still be a few years away from his peak. And yes, I think Texas won the trade. This list isn't ranking guys based on how they've performed in 2008 - if it was, Robinson Cano and Ryan Zimmerman certainly wouldn't be on it. Volquez, while a good arm, isn't going to be able to sustain this level of performance, while there are lots of reasons to think that Hamilton can keep hitting like he is now. And no, the name of the game is not pitching. That's a big myth. Phillips as an SS wouldn’t change his value much in my mind. He’d get a few more opportunities, but the increased value due to position scarcity would be offset by his lessened defensive value relative to other SS.

In five years, I’d bet that B.J. is still a bit more valuable than his brother. B.J. will be 28 and in his prime – I expect a few Carlos Beltran type seasons from him. Justin will be a terrific hitter, but won’t have the same defensive value, and will still be a few years away from his peak.

And yes, I think Texas won the trade. This list isn’t ranking guys based on how they’ve performed in 2008 – if it was, Robinson Cano and Ryan Zimmerman certainly wouldn’t be on it. Volquez, while a good arm, isn’t going to be able to sustain this level of performance, while there are lots of reasons to think that Hamilton can keep hitting like he is now.

And no, the name of the game is not pitching. That’s a big myth.

]]> By: CincyBleedingReds http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36813 CincyBleedingReds Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:46:48 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36813 Does this mean Texas "won" the trade (Volquez for Josh)? Volquez has been worth something like a half win more over replacement than Josh so far and a run prevented is worth more than a run scored according to THT. Besides, isn't the name of the game pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching? Does this mean Texas “won” the trade (Volquez for Josh)?

Volquez has been worth something like a half win more over replacement than Josh so far and a run prevented is worth more than a run scored according to THT.

Besides, isn’t the name of the game pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching?

]]> By: Marcus http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36795 Marcus Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:57:44 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36795 Uh, Justin Upton, that is. Uh, Justin Upton, that is.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36794 Marcus Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:56:51 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36794 There's a good chance that Morrow proves to be the better pick in the long run. The M's have mishandled him to a ridiculous extent, but when he makes the jump to the rotation, he's going to be very, very good. His slider is filthy at times, and has shown more consistency this year. And his fastball speaks for itself. Lincecum is outstanding, but he sure doesn't look like a guy you'd expect to see dominating in seven or eight years. And I don't think he'll continue stranding 8-% of runners. I'm also wondering, Dave: BJ or Justin in five years? Scouts I know think that Upton is the most sure-fire young American superstar since A-Rod. There’s a good chance that Morrow proves to be the better pick in the long run. The M’s have mishandled him to a ridiculous extent, but when he makes the jump to the rotation, he’s going to be very, very good. His slider is filthy at times, and has shown more consistency this year. And his fastball speaks for itself.

Lincecum is outstanding, but he sure doesn’t look like a guy you’d expect to see dominating in seven or eight years. And I don’t think he’ll continue stranding 8-% of runners.

I’m also wondering, Dave: BJ or Justin in five years? Scouts I know think that Upton is the most sure-fire young American superstar since A-Rod.

]]> By: Bodhizefa http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36792 Bodhizefa Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:26:12 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36792 It's disappointing as an M's fan to see Lincecum likely to make your top ten. I still have high hopes for Morrow's future, but it seems highly unlikely he'll ever peak as high as the wonderkid Lincecum. I'd still rank Hamilton higher in my own risk-filled top ten, but I can certainly see why you'd knock him down a tick for the reasons you laid out. Still, he's one of the scariest hitters I've seen in the box (and doubly so since the M's have to face him so much). Lastly, who do you think ends up the better player in five years... B.J. or Justin? It’s disappointing as an M’s fan to see Lincecum likely to make your top ten. I still have high hopes for Morrow’s future, but it seems highly unlikely he’ll ever peak as high as the wonderkid Lincecum.

I’d still rank Hamilton higher in my own risk-filled top ten, but I can certainly see why you’d knock him down a tick for the reasons you laid out. Still, he’s one of the scariest hitters I’ve seen in the box (and doubly so since the M’s have to face him so much).

Lastly, who do you think ends up the better player in five years… B.J. or Justin?

]]> By: NickP http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36788 NickP Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:16:48 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36788 Dave: You said Brandon Phillips is just outside the top 50 right now. Assuming he was playing SS (as I believe he should be...Keppinger is a nice hitter but awful at SS), where would that push Phillips up to? Thx. Dave: You said Brandon Phillips is just outside the top 50 right now. Assuming he was playing SS (as I believe he should be…Keppinger is a nice hitter but awful at SS), where would that push Phillips up to?

Thx.

]]> By: Sal Paradise http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36786 Sal Paradise Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:57:29 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36786 I cannot fathom Carmona being on the list with his horrible control, but who knows... Ramirez has to be #1, right? I cannot fathom Carmona being on the list with his horrible control, but who knows… Ramirez has to be #1, right?

]]> By: YC http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36778 YC Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:05:32 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36778 I have 11 names here, which means that one of them doesn’t even make the top **50, but oh well. Damn typos. I have 11 names here, which means that one of them doesn’t even make the top **50, but oh well.

Damn typos.

]]> By: YC http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36777 YC Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:03:22 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mlb-trade-value-08-11-15/#comment-36777 Dave, I'm loving this piece on the top assets in Major League Baseball. Too bad I'm going on a trip and won't be able to check #10-1 'til Monday. Nonetheless, my instincts tell me that the top 10 would be filled with the following names, give or take a name or two. (in no particular order) Tim Lincecum Felix Hernandez Albert Pujols Chase Utley Hanley Ramirez Grady Sizemore Troy Tulowitzki David Wright Evan Longoria Fausto Carmona Brian McCann I have 11 names here, which means that one of them doesn't even make the top 10, but oh well. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to how you sort out the final 10, and your explanation on their rankings. Keep up the great work! Dave, I’m loving this piece on the top assets in Major League Baseball. Too bad I’m going on a trip and won’t be able to check #10-1 ’til Monday. Nonetheless, my instincts tell me that the top 10 would be filled with the following names, give or take a name or two.

(in no particular order)

Tim Lincecum
Felix Hernandez
Albert Pujols
Chase Utley
Hanley Ramirez
Grady Sizemore
Troy Tulowitzki
David Wright
Evan Longoria
Fausto Carmona
Brian McCann

I have 11 names here, which means that one of them doesn’t even make the top 10, but oh well.

Anyway, I’m really looking forward to how you sort out the final 10, and your explanation on their rankings. Keep up the great work!

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