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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-center-field-stuff/#comment-57447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freel (career IP, UZR/150)

2B  712    9
3B  716    2
LF  368    -13
CF  1553  -3
RF  705    11
OF  2607  -0.6

Great 2B/3B, so-so OF.  He broke the wrong way on a lot of flies/line drives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freel (career IP, UZR/150)</p>
<p>2B  712    9<br />
3B  716    2<br />
LF  368    -13<br />
CF  1553  -3<br />
RF  705    11<br />
OF  2607  -0.6</p>
<p>Great 2B/3B, so-so OF.  He broke the wrong way on a lot of flies/line drives.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-center-field-stuff/#comment-57413</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Bruntlett is an example.  He came up through the Astros&#039; system as a defensive oriented SS/2b whose offense would likely confine him to a utility infielder role.  In 2005, the Astros expanded his role to include spot starts and defensive replacement in all 3 outfield slots.  Bruntlett&#039;s UZR indicates that he is slightly above average at SS and 2b.  However, he took to the outfield positions with defense that was often spectacular. In 2005, Astros fans got use to Bruntlett making numerous game saving defensive plays in the outfield. Though the sample sizes are small, Bruntlett is something like +40/150 in  LF and +20 in CF.  (He was traded to the Phillies and played some in LF there, too.)

While mentioning Astros, I can&#039;t pass over Caig Biggio.  He came up as a catcher and was converted to 2d base after several ML seasons.  Late in his career, he was shifted to CF (when Kent was acquired) and then LF (when Beltran was acquired).  The UZR numbers unfortunately can only show us Biggio defensive numbers for a period late in his career after he had lost some of his speed.  He is -11.6 in CF and -2.6 at 2d base.  Reportedly he was viewed as an excellent CF fielder when he played spring games at the position early in his career.  The Astros decided to move him from catcher in order to &quot;save his legs&quot; and maximize his base sealing; they had the choice of moving him to CF or 2d base, and they chose 2d base, probably because they felt he would be more valuable in that role.

Back to your reference to Burke. Phil Garner touted Chris Burke&#039;s CF ability, and he played CF in several World Series games for the Astros.  The Astros felt good enough about Burke&#039;s defensive ability to trade Willy Taveras and hand Burke the CF job in 2007.  Burke had some rocky defensive games early in the season, which probably caused the bad RZR result.  Burke may have been pressing, since he knew that Hunter Pence was tearing it up as a CF in AAA, and Burke was replaced by Pence after a month or so.  Based on that background, you may be correct that Burke can play an average or better CF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Bruntlett is an example.  He came up through the Astros&#8217; system as a defensive oriented SS/2b whose offense would likely confine him to a utility infielder role.  In 2005, the Astros expanded his role to include spot starts and defensive replacement in all 3 outfield slots.  Bruntlett&#8217;s UZR indicates that he is slightly above average at SS and 2b.  However, he took to the outfield positions with defense that was often spectacular. In 2005, Astros fans got use to Bruntlett making numerous game saving defensive plays in the outfield. Though the sample sizes are small, Bruntlett is something like +40/150 in  LF and +20 in CF.  (He was traded to the Phillies and played some in LF there, too.)</p>
<p>While mentioning Astros, I can&#8217;t pass over Caig Biggio.  He came up as a catcher and was converted to 2d base after several ML seasons.  Late in his career, he was shifted to CF (when Kent was acquired) and then LF (when Beltran was acquired).  The UZR numbers unfortunately can only show us Biggio defensive numbers for a period late in his career after he had lost some of his speed.  He is -11.6 in CF and -2.6 at 2d base.  Reportedly he was viewed as an excellent CF fielder when he played spring games at the position early in his career.  The Astros decided to move him from catcher in order to &#8220;save his legs&#8221; and maximize his base sealing; they had the choice of moving him to CF or 2d base, and they chose 2d base, probably because they felt he would be more valuable in that role.</p>
<p>Back to your reference to Burke. Phil Garner touted Chris Burke&#8217;s CF ability, and he played CF in several World Series games for the Astros.  The Astros felt good enough about Burke&#8217;s defensive ability to trade Willy Taveras and hand Burke the CF job in 2007.  Burke had some rocky defensive games early in the season, which probably caused the bad RZR result.  Burke may have been pressing, since he knew that Hunter Pence was tearing it up as a CF in AAA, and Burke was replaced by Pence after a month or so.  Based on that background, you may be correct that Burke can play an average or better CF.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you could ask Rally to see if he could give you some of his TotalZone data for Yount...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you could ask Rally to see if he could give you some of his TotalZone data for Yount&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and the 3B is number for him is probably a result of his only real defensive weakness, his throwing arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and the 3B is number for him is probably a result of his only real defensive weakness, his throwing arm.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amezega is horrible with the bat, but I love watching the guy field. Funny how I relate almost any conversation to a Marlins player.

Last year during a Marlins game they showed a play of his from the Mexican league that may have been the best play I ever saw. (I know even bad fielders make &quot;web gem&quot; style plays)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amezega is horrible with the bat, but I love watching the guy field. Funny how I relate almost any conversation to a Marlins player.</p>
<p>Last year during a Marlins game they showed a play of his from the Mexican league that may have been the best play I ever saw. (I know even bad fielders make &#8220;web gem&#8221; style plays)</p>
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		<title>By: CMC_Stags</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMC_Stags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alfredo Amezaga (career):
Pos Inn        UZR/150
1B   6.2       88
2B   314.1   12.8
3B   234.1   -10.6
SS   699.2   10.4
LF   30.1     28.7
CF   1631    15.6
RF   12.0     9.6
OF   1673.1 15.9

Like Willie Boom-boom but he can actually field all the positions well...  +10.4 at SS and +15.6 at CF is just crazy.

Jerry Hairston (career number for data with UZR available):
Pos  Inn        UZR/150
2B   2210.1  4.9
3B   55.2      -3.7
SS   288        -15.2
LF   448.2     16.2
CF   815.2     9.1
RF   356.1     3.1
OF   1620.2   9.4

Above average defensive 2B as well as above average CF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alfredo Amezaga (career):<br />
Pos Inn        UZR/150<br />
1B   6.2       88<br />
2B   314.1   12.8<br />
3B   234.1   -10.6<br />
SS   699.2   10.4<br />
LF   30.1     28.7<br />
CF   1631    15.6<br />
RF   12.0     9.6<br />
OF   1673.1 15.9</p>
<p>Like Willie Boom-boom but he can actually field all the positions well&#8230;  +10.4 at SS and +15.6 at CF is just crazy.</p>
<p>Jerry Hairston (career number for data with UZR available):<br />
Pos  Inn        UZR/150<br />
2B   2210.1  4.9<br />
3B   55.2      -3.7<br />
SS   288        -15.2<br />
LF   448.2     16.2<br />
CF   815.2     9.1<br />
RF   356.1     3.1<br />
OF   1620.2   9.4</p>
<p>Above average defensive 2B as well as above average CF.</p>
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		<title>By: CMC_Stags</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-center-field-stuff/#comment-57374</link>
		<dc:creator>CMC_Stags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave-

No mention of Willie Bloomquist?  Are his samples at each position too small to be worthwhile?

Pos  Inn       UZR/150
1B   118.1   -14.2
2B   598.2   3.0
3B   719.1   -6.8 
SS    725.1   2.3
LF    224.2   -13.4
CF   626.2  -9.1
RF   131.1  3.5

Another good example would be Craig Biggio.  In 2002, 2005, 2006, and 2007 he played 4407.2 innings at 2B putting up 4.6, -5.7, 1.3 and -11.9 UZR/150 marks respectively for a total of -2.6.  In 2003 and 2004 he played 1883.2 innings of CF and put up a -11.7 UZR/150 combined.  He also put up a -10.6 in LF in 654.1 innings in 2004.

In both cases the players were considerably worse at the CF and LF spots then they were playing 2B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave-</p>
<p>No mention of Willie Bloomquist?  Are his samples at each position too small to be worthwhile?</p>
<p>Pos  Inn       UZR/150<br />
1B   118.1   -14.2<br />
2B   598.2   3.0<br />
3B   719.1   -6.8<br />
SS    725.1   2.3<br />
LF    224.2   -13.4<br />
CF   626.2  -9.1<br />
RF   131.1  3.5</p>
<p>Another good example would be Craig Biggio.  In 2002, 2005, 2006, and 2007 he played 4407.2 innings at 2B putting up 4.6, -5.7, 1.3 and -11.9 UZR/150 marks respectively for a total of -2.6.  In 2003 and 2004 he played 1883.2 innings of CF and put up a -11.7 UZR/150 combined.  He also put up a -10.6 in LF in 654.1 innings in 2004.</p>
<p>In both cases the players were considerably worse at the CF and LF spots then they were playing 2B.</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to think that while some of the CF&#039;s mentioned could certainly play infield positions... organizational needs play a lot in where players end up. Take Curtis Granderson, probably somewhere along the line (high school, A ball) Curtis played on team that had a superior glove man and he was put in CF. Being a superior athlete and running everything insight down, why ever move him? He&#039;s a great oufielder. He&#039;s playing a premium defensive position and its just a matter of him hitting enough for him to make it to the major leagues. 

As far as Beltre moving from 3rd to 2nd it could be the same thing. He played at a very young age and while the scouts said he&#039;d have enough glove to stick at 3rd why put him at second if he&#039;s a work in progress at third. He wasn&#039;t a good defender (just not enough expirience) out of the get go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to think that while some of the CF&#8217;s mentioned could certainly play infield positions&#8230; organizational needs play a lot in where players end up. Take Curtis Granderson, probably somewhere along the line (high school, A ball) Curtis played on team that had a superior glove man and he was put in CF. Being a superior athlete and running everything insight down, why ever move him? He&#8217;s a great oufielder. He&#8217;s playing a premium defensive position and its just a matter of him hitting enough for him to make it to the major leagues. </p>
<p>As far as Beltre moving from 3rd to 2nd it could be the same thing. He played at a very young age and while the scouts said he&#8217;d have enough glove to stick at 3rd why put him at second if he&#8217;s a work in progress at third. He wasn&#8217;t a good defender (just not enough expirience) out of the get go.</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;We know the CF - LF/RF comparison. We mostly know the SS - 2B/3B comparison. The OF / IF comparison is more vexing&quot;

Tango, What are the things you think about? Just the values of each individual position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;We know the CF &#8211; LF/RF comparison. We mostly know the SS &#8211; 2B/3B comparison. The OF / IF comparison is more vexing&#8221;</p>
<p>Tango, What are the things you think about? Just the values of each individual position?</p>
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		<title>By: tangotiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>tangotiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know the CF - LF/RF comparison.  We mostly know the SS - 2B/3B comparison.  The OF / IF comparison is more vexing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know the CF &#8211; LF/RF comparison.  We mostly know the SS &#8211; 2B/3B comparison.  The OF / IF comparison is more vexing.</p>
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