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		<title>By: MarkInDallas</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-on-the-pirates-fo/#comment-106097</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkInDallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are saying makes no sense whatsoever. Garrett Jones played at replacement level? Do you even know what that means? How does a .390 wOBA player count as replacement player in your book?

Secondly, the fact that the Rays didn&#039;t feel like Aki&#039;s salary was worth it for them, doesn&#039;t mean he had no value for anyone. The Rays had Ben Zobrist emerge in Aki&#039;s absence and he piled up an 8.5 WAR with a 21 UZR/150. Don&#039;t you think they just might have a better cheaper option than the already good option they had in Aki?

As for the draft, Huntington drafted numerous high school pitchers in this draft who might have been first round picks except for their bonus demands. That&#039;s what this draft was all about for the Pirates - taking high upside high school pitchers after round 1. Considering &quot;reach&quot; Tony Sanchez hit over .300 with 7HR in 48 games after signing, it&#039;s looking like they might have made a pretty good decision on him. The future will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are saying makes no sense whatsoever. Garrett Jones played at replacement level? Do you even know what that means? How does a .390 wOBA player count as replacement player in your book?</p>
<p>Secondly, the fact that the Rays didn&#8217;t feel like Aki&#8217;s salary was worth it for them, doesn&#8217;t mean he had no value for anyone. The Rays had Ben Zobrist emerge in Aki&#8217;s absence and he piled up an 8.5 WAR with a 21 UZR/150. Don&#8217;t you think they just might have a better cheaper option than the already good option they had in Aki?</p>
<p>As for the draft, Huntington drafted numerous high school pitchers in this draft who might have been first round picks except for their bonus demands. That&#8217;s what this draft was all about for the Pirates &#8211; taking high upside high school pitchers after round 1. Considering &#8220;reach&#8221; Tony Sanchez hit over .300 with 7HR in 48 games after signing, it&#8217;s looking like they might have made a pretty good decision on him. The future will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-on-the-pirates-fo/#comment-106096</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin: It is not an assumption; it is an assertion.  It&#039;s pretty simple.  If they don&#039;t spend $5m that means they have $5m.  They can use it to pass out condoms at ladies night for all I care.

The simple fact is that they passed on at least three high upside HS arms at #4 and reached on a player who signed day of for slot.  If they do that again this year they will deserve to get savagely ripped, especially since they could have allotted Aki&#039;s salary to the draft budget (remember, if they don&#039;t spend it on Aki, they have it to spend somewhere else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin: It is not an assumption; it is an assertion.  It&#8217;s pretty simple.  If they don&#8217;t spend $5m that means they have $5m.  They can use it to pass out condoms at ladies night for all I care.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that they passed on at least three high upside HS arms at #4 and reached on a player who signed day of for slot.  If they do that again this year they will deserve to get savagely ripped, especially since they could have allotted Aki&#8217;s salary to the draft budget (remember, if they don&#8217;t spend it on Aki, they have it to spend somewhere else).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-on-the-pirates-fo/#comment-106094</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Thomas: Let me inform you about my understanding of basic economics.  A price is based in large measure on supply and demand.  There is not a single American League team that would be looking to add Aki as an upgrade for the guy they already have.  In the NL there are a few teams besides the Pirates that could use a 2B, but we can guarantee that the Padres would not be buyers.

In a market where a league average player either is not better than the guy half the teams already have, or the guy the already have is the same guy as Aki but cheaper, how exactly does he get anywhere near $5m?  Pittsburgh magic beans apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Thomas: Let me inform you about my understanding of basic economics.  A price is based in large measure on supply and demand.  There is not a single American League team that would be looking to add Aki as an upgrade for the guy they already have.  In the NL there are a few teams besides the Pirates that could use a 2B, but we can guarantee that the Padres would not be buyers.</p>
<p>In a market where a league average player either is not better than the guy half the teams already have, or the guy the already have is the same guy as Aki but cheaper, how exactly does he get anywhere near $5m?  Pittsburgh magic beans apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-on-the-pirates-fo/#comment-106062</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if NH flips Aki at the deadline too, who knows?

The pirates don&#039;t have a whole lot of middle infield options, though. IF LaRoche makes the switch to 2b, then they&#039;ve still only solved half of that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if NH flips Aki at the deadline too, who knows?</p>
<p>The pirates don&#8217;t have a whole lot of middle infield options, though. IF LaRoche makes the switch to 2b, then they&#8217;ve still only solved half of that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/more-on-the-pirates-fo/#comment-106061</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get the assumption that because the Pirates are spending 5 million on Iwamura, they will somehow be unable to spend it on the draft or latin america.  

1. The Pirates draft budget has been one of the highest the past few years.

2. The Pirates major league payroll is nowhere near their self imposed upper limit, so adding 5 million doesn&#039;t effect any other budgets.

3. The Pirates did spent over slot on quite a few high school pitchers last year.  Just because they didn&#039;t take Tyler Matzek or whomever in the first round doesn&#039;t mean they are being cheap in the draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the assumption that because the Pirates are spending 5 million on Iwamura, they will somehow be unable to spend it on the draft or latin america.  </p>
<p>1. The Pirates draft budget has been one of the highest the past few years.</p>
<p>2. The Pirates major league payroll is nowhere near their self imposed upper limit, so adding 5 million doesn&#8217;t effect any other budgets.</p>
<p>3. The Pirates did spent over slot on quite a few high school pitchers last year.  Just because they didn&#8217;t take Tyler Matzek or whomever in the first round doesn&#8217;t mean they are being cheap in the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it a. wildly speculative, and b. extremely improbable, that Iwamura, who is (as you noted) league-average, could not achieve $5M a year on the open market. The implication that they could get him for 20% of that ($1M) is farcical.

Your posts on this thread are full of rather ridiculous assumptions about reality which do not comport with basic economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it a. wildly speculative, and b. extremely improbable, that Iwamura, who is (as you noted) league-average, could not achieve $5M a year on the open market. The implication that they could get him for 20% of that ($1M) is farcical.</p>
<p>Your posts on this thread are full of rather ridiculous assumptions about reality which do not comport with basic economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garrett Jones certainly counted as a replacement level player last offseason.  Doesn&#039;t that count as one of the savvy Huntington moves?  If your position is that Hunts is a savvy GM based on moves like Garrett Jones or Hanrahan, how do you simultaneously claim that dealing a league minimum middle reliever with upside for a league average 2B who would not get $5m on the open market if TB just turned him loose (which they would have if the Bucs had not given them a something for him) is savvy?

The savvy move would have been claiming Hoffpauir from the Cardinals and let him and Young man it for a year or so.  OR wait until TB releases Aki and sign him for 20% of what they will pay him this season.  If the Rays were willing to give him away, isn&#039;t that a pretty good indication that he doesn&#039;t have much value?  Unless the Rays are idiots, and apparently some here believe they are, forgetting that they picked up J.P. Howell for Gathright.  

By the way, regarding your 2B defense point, if we are not capable of evaluating pitchers unless they have stellar defense behind them then why do we bother with xFIP?

They could be using that extra $4m plus to sign the top player on their board in next year&#039;s draft, instead of a slot player.  Are you seriously claiming that Sanchez was the top player on their board at #4?  If he was, then that is another strike against them.  How long has it been since they even tried to develop a high caliber HS pitcher?  Burnett?  Wait, he was another bargain pick.

Huntington may be a great GM, but this move was not his finest hour.  Giving the guy a pass because he uses advanced metrics is not analysis.  This move was completely unnecessary and he just threw $5m down a rathole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garrett Jones certainly counted as a replacement level player last offseason.  Doesn&#8217;t that count as one of the savvy Huntington moves?  If your position is that Hunts is a savvy GM based on moves like Garrett Jones or Hanrahan, how do you simultaneously claim that dealing a league minimum middle reliever with upside for a league average 2B who would not get $5m on the open market if TB just turned him loose (which they would have if the Bucs had not given them a something for him) is savvy?</p>
<p>The savvy move would have been claiming Hoffpauir from the Cardinals and let him and Young man it for a year or so.  OR wait until TB releases Aki and sign him for 20% of what they will pay him this season.  If the Rays were willing to give him away, isn&#8217;t that a pretty good indication that he doesn&#8217;t have much value?  Unless the Rays are idiots, and apparently some here believe they are, forgetting that they picked up J.P. Howell for Gathright.  </p>
<p>By the way, regarding your 2B defense point, if we are not capable of evaluating pitchers unless they have stellar defense behind them then why do we bother with xFIP?</p>
<p>They could be using that extra $4m plus to sign the top player on their board in next year&#8217;s draft, instead of a slot player.  Are you seriously claiming that Sanchez was the top player on their board at #4?  If he was, then that is another strike against them.  How long has it been since they even tried to develop a high caliber HS pitcher?  Burnett?  Wait, he was another bargain pick.</p>
<p>Huntington may be a great GM, but this move was not his finest hour.  Giving the guy a pass because he uses advanced metrics is not analysis.  This move was completely unnecessary and he just threw $5m down a rathole.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the Rays&#039; FO&#039;s inability to construct a competent bullpen puzzling in light of their evident skill in most other areas of roster construction. Is it just that they are so implacably hostile to turning starters into relievers that guys who ought to be relieving in the bigs right now are starting in the minors instead (doing little good for the franchise, since they&#039;ve already got a strong cost-controlled rotation)?

They lucked out when Grant Balfour suddenly had the fluke season of all time in 2008, but other than that, they&#039;ve really struggled with putting a competent group together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the Rays&#8217; FO&#8217;s inability to construct a competent bullpen puzzling in light of their evident skill in most other areas of roster construction. Is it just that they are so implacably hostile to turning starters into relievers that guys who ought to be relieving in the bigs right now are starting in the minors instead (doing little good for the franchise, since they&#8217;ve already got a strong cost-controlled rotation)?</p>
<p>They lucked out when Grant Balfour suddenly had the fluke season of all time in 2008, but other than that, they&#8217;ve really struggled with putting a competent group together.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way one gets a compensatory draft pick is if you offer arbitration to a player who files for free agency, and he declines and signs with another team.

Iwamura cannot be offered arbitration by the terms of his contract. If that was not the case and he could be offered arbitration, he would be obliged to accept it because he has less than six years&#039; service time.

He cannot under any circumstances produce a compensatory pick (unless the contract has somehow been misreported).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way one gets a compensatory draft pick is if you offer arbitration to a player who files for free agency, and he declines and signs with another team.</p>
<p>Iwamura cannot be offered arbitration by the terms of his contract. If that was not the case and he could be offered arbitration, he would be obliged to accept it because he has less than six years&#8217; service time.</p>
<p>He cannot under any circumstances produce a compensatory pick (unless the contract has somehow been misreported).</p>
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		<title>By: Bobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Joe R. can throw out a lame example that &#039;hey look last year the Rays so therefore all small market teams have decent shot&#039; then why can&#039;t that assertion be rejected with just as lame a counter arguement?

Steve, the Yankees spending affects all the teams. Saying it doesn&#039;t is not logical.  What one team spends impacts all the other teams in terms of competing for free agents, as salary markers for their own free agents/arb cases, and for good ole fashion on the field competition.  The yankees spending is on display now in the world series.  Isn&#039;t it logical to conclude that the additions of Tex, Burnett, CC were driven by losing and not making the playoffs due to the up start small market Rays?  If any team has a goal to win a world series then aren&#039;t they impacted by the other teams the may have to play?  Aren&#039;t trades of established MLB&#039;s like a certain hot topic guy like Jason Bay direct results of the escalating salaries driven by teams like the Yankees?  

Joe R, when their players hit their mid 30’s, and do what players in their mid 30’s often do and decline the Yankees will due what they do and reload with free agents...
And you are assuming that in 2010 a big team team won&#039;t add one new piece to improve? Can you honestly look at the Yankees payroll and players and say with even 50% certainty that they won&#039;t add another starting pitcher (or two)?  Do you realize that their payroll is slightly down from last year and projected to go down 40mm+ next year with Damon, Matsui, Petite, Nady all coming off the books?

Pick a small market team all you want, but Ian was on to something...the deck is stacked against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Joe R. can throw out a lame example that &#8216;hey look last year the Rays so therefore all small market teams have decent shot&#8217; then why can&#8217;t that assertion be rejected with just as lame a counter arguement?</p>
<p>Steve, the Yankees spending affects all the teams. Saying it doesn&#8217;t is not logical.  What one team spends impacts all the other teams in terms of competing for free agents, as salary markers for their own free agents/arb cases, and for good ole fashion on the field competition.  The yankees spending is on display now in the world series.  Isn&#8217;t it logical to conclude that the additions of Tex, Burnett, CC were driven by losing and not making the playoffs due to the up start small market Rays?  If any team has a goal to win a world series then aren&#8217;t they impacted by the other teams the may have to play?  Aren&#8217;t trades of established MLB&#8217;s like a certain hot topic guy like Jason Bay direct results of the escalating salaries driven by teams like the Yankees?  </p>
<p>Joe R, when their players hit their mid 30’s, and do what players in their mid 30’s often do and decline the Yankees will due what they do and reload with free agents&#8230;<br />
And you are assuming that in 2010 a big team team won&#8217;t add one new piece to improve? Can you honestly look at the Yankees payroll and players and say with even 50% certainty that they won&#8217;t add another starting pitcher (or two)?  Do you realize that their payroll is slightly down from last year and projected to go down 40mm+ next year with Damon, Matsui, Petite, Nady all coming off the books?</p>
<p>Pick a small market team all you want, but Ian was on to something&#8230;the deck is stacked against them.</p>
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