On The Block: One Ace?
Over the last few day, word has leaked out of San Diego that the Padres will be willing to talk to teams that might be interested in Jake Peavy this winter. More importantly, since Peavy has a blanket no-trade clause, was his agent’s statements that Peavy would be willing to accept a trade to certain contenders in the National League, paving the way for real trade discussions to take place.
Peavy, the 2007 NL Cy Young winner, will certainly draw interest. Over the last few years, he’s established himself as one of the game’s best pitchers, and he’s got an All-Star track record despite being just 27 years of age. He’s also under contract through 2012 (with a team option for 2013), so he wouldn’t be a one year rental or require an extension, like most big name pitchers who become available before they hit free agency.
So, an ace entering his prime signed up for the next four (or five) years is on the market – everyone should be falling all over themselves to give up the farm for Peavy, right? Maybe not.
Despite his shiny 2.85 ERA, 2008 was pretty clearly the worst Peavy has pitched since 2003, which was his first full year in the majors and the year before he broke out into an established front line starter. Let’s take a closer look at his performances from 2004 to 2008, using the graphs available here.
The strikeout rate, which had held extremely steady from 2004-2007, showed a noticeable decline this year, dropping to 8.60 this year, down from his customary 9.50 range. A loss of a strikeout every game isn’t the end of the world in isolation, but when it’s combined with a simultaneous increase in walk rate and home run rate, like we see in the last two charts, it’s cause for concern. His FIP of 3.60 reflects the downgrade in his underlying skills, and shows that he pitched worse last year than he did in 2006, when his ERA was much higher. He was able to keep runs off the board by stranding a ton of runners (his 82.2% LOB% was second highest in baseball), but LOB% isn’t nearly the solid foundation to run prevention that striking batters out, limiting walks, and keeping the ball in the yard is.
Recently, the boys over at StatCorner.com unveiled tRA*, which is FIP with a whole lot of extra regressions on batted ball types and park adjustments and such, and gives a pretty good indicator of how well a pitcher actually pitched, stripping out a lot of the noise that gets included in a pitcher’s final results. Peavy’s tRA* for 2008 was 4.41, putting him just behind Aaron Cook and Paul Maholm among NL starters. Not exactly the kind of company you expect to see Peavy included with, eh?
Peavy simply wasn’t as good in 2008 as he was from 2004 to 2007. He was still a good pitcher, but he wasn’t the earlier versions of Peavy that we’d seen. He was worse in almost every meaningful category. And he spent a few weeks on the disabled list with elbow problems to boot. He returned from those and pitched well, so it’s unlikely that he’s already sustained a serious injury that will prevent him from pitching, but it’s another red flag in a season that raised several even without the health concerns.
Peavy’s contract calls for him to earn $9 million next year before a $52 million guaranteed extension kicks in for 2010-2012. Any team acquiring Peavy would be on the hook for at least $61 million over the next four years, and if the team option for 2013 was picked up, it would be $79 million over 5 years. Even in today’s marketplace, that’s frontline starter money. For the last four years leading up to this one, Peavy was certainly a frontline starter, but his 2008 performance has to raise questions over whether he will continue to pitch at that level going forward?
The Padres seem to believe that now is the time to sell high. If 2008 Peavy was a sign of things to come, they’re probably right, and potential suitors for Peavy might want to consider alternative options before giving up a ton of prospects for a guy with some real question marks.
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Hi Dave–
Might pitching through the elbow “soreness” account for some of the decline in performance? Was there a noticeable improvement post-DL?
Dave,
You made some good insights here, and it does seem that Peavy wasn’t the same pitcher this year as in years past. What I wonder is, was this that far out of the range of what we should expect from him?
Look at Roy Oswalt for example. Last year he had his highest BB/9 and lowest K/9 of his career. Many thought he was in a huge decline (maybe he still is) but we saw his BB/9 drop back to his career average and his K/9 go back up a bit after declining three years in a row.
Or look at Roy Halladay. His K/9 this year was the highest its been since 2001 and his BB/9 dropped .5/9 from last year.
It seems to me that pitchers “controllable skills” can vary widely, and to worry about Peavy or any pitcher for that matter, is declining (especially at at 27) is a bit alarmist.
I for one, bet that Peavy bounces back and his a big year in 2009.
I bet you never ever wore a jock stat boy.
pitching to contact, getting outs, dominating is what Peavy is.
Would you rather have Paul Maholm? give me a break stat boy!
John, you never know. Does the name Barry Zito ring a bell? He had pitched 6 full seasons by the time he was 28, after which he began a sharp decline and now is universally considered “washed up”.
Peavy has a lot of mileage on his arm for a 27 year old, and having an off year combined with elbow soreness isn’t a good sign.
I am wondering the same thing about CC Sabathia. He has pitched an eye-popping 494 innings the past 2 years combined. He has pitched 8 full MLB seasons and is 28. Granted, his mechanics are flawless but how much can an arm take before it starts to break down?
The M’s should trade the farm for him. They’re only one ace away from the playoffs.
Just like with Bedard, right Lantermanc?
R M,
You’re right that we can never know. Peavy may have begun a rapid decline that will end like Zito, but there is scant evidence of that kind of implosion. Look at Zito’s graphs and you’ll see that there is virtually no comparison between the two.
Zito’s control was always around average and his K/9 never got as high as Peavy. Look at his K/BB too–it never got any better than 2.56 but was typically 2.0 or below.
His FIP only registered below 4.00 in his first three years–after that it rose rapidly and gave us all warning signs that his peak had come and gone by the time he signed with the Giants.
Nor does Peavy have the number of pitches or IP that Zito had, or has. Zito was abused in comparison to Peavy. Zito averaged over 3700 pitches/year in his time in Oakland. Compare that to Peavy’s 3147 between ‘03 and ‘08.
So yeah, Peavy might begin a rapid decline, but again, the evidence for an implosion is not in his statistics–though it may be there on an MRI.