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		<title>By: NBarnes</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-29/#comment-120042</link>
		<dc:creator>NBarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much has been made of the fact that Stalin and Jeff Loria have never been photographed together.  I think it&#039;s unkind to intimate that they are actually the same person.

I think it&#039;s much more likely that Stalin simply doesn&#039;t want to be seen hanging out around people like Jeff Loria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much has been made of the fact that Stalin and Jeff Loria have never been photographed together.  I think it&#8217;s unkind to intimate that they are actually the same person.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s much more likely that Stalin simply doesn&#8217;t want to be seen hanging out around people like Jeff Loria.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooklyn Banks</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-29/#comment-78455</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooklyn Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave is right, this team will not be winning a ring any time soon. As of May 31st they have a 0% shot the playoffs and this is likely Dan Uggla&#039;s last year as a Marlin. This team has a history full of players who were once talented prospects turned bust (Josh Willingham, Scott Olsen,and Jeremy Herimda) and some of players listed in the minor league talent will suffer the same fate, and those are aren&#039;t will just get traded once their salary demands get too high. How many years do you think Hanley has left before he gets dealt? Two, three?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave is right, this team will not be winning a ring any time soon. As of May 31st they have a 0% shot the playoffs and this is likely Dan Uggla&#8217;s last year as a Marlin. This team has a history full of players who were once talented prospects turned bust (Josh Willingham, Scott Olsen,and Jeremy Herimda) and some of players listed in the minor league talent will suffer the same fate, and those are aren&#8217;t will just get traded once their salary demands get too high. How many years do you think Hanley has left before he gets dealt? Two, three?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B- is absolute nonsense for this front office.  How does &quot;the best job anyone could do&quot; = a B-.  

I get it, Dave.  You don&#039;t like Loria.  No one in Miami does either, I promise.  The way you use that to justify ranking the Marlins 29 (a joke considering their past success and the abundance of talent on their roster and in their farm system) and to give the rest of the team shockingly low grades (seriously Beinfast has been as good as Billy Beane with LESS to work with) is nonsense.

The Pirates WISH they were the Marlins and so do a bunch of other crappy franchises.  It is very hard to take this website seriously reading a hatchet job like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B- is absolute nonsense for this front office.  How does &#8220;the best job anyone could do&#8221; = a B-.  </p>
<p>I get it, Dave.  You don&#8217;t like Loria.  No one in Miami does either, I promise.  The way you use that to justify ranking the Marlins 29 (a joke considering their past success and the abundance of talent on their roster and in their farm system) and to give the rest of the team shockingly low grades (seriously Beinfast has been as good as Billy Beane with LESS to work with) is nonsense.</p>
<p>The Pirates WISH they were the Marlins and so do a bunch of other crappy franchises.  It is very hard to take this website seriously reading a hatchet job like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlins fan since '91</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-29/#comment-69278</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlins fan since '91</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well, well, as a Marlins fan since Miami was awarded the team in 1991, all my arguments have been made for me. Thanks all! 

Dave comes across as a delusional fool. I would put the Marlins&#039; accomplishments up against any team in baseball. Their future looks bright as well, with a talented young team, a good young manager, a fantastic GM and a stocked minor league system that is the envy of most of the teams in baseball. 

Oh, and I forgot to mention, Loria and Samson accomplished what two other ownership groups were unable to do in 10 years --- secure a new stadium! That makes all the difference in the world for this team&#039;s future. 

So, despite Dave&#039;s almost irrational hatred, Loria has been a successful owner - a world series championship, winning records in four of the past six years and a new stadium. Not too damn shabby. 

All in all, I&#039;d say that, while not the traditional way of running a team, this is one of the best run organizations in baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, well, as a Marlins fan since Miami was awarded the team in 1991, all my arguments have been made for me. Thanks all! </p>
<p>Dave comes across as a delusional fool. I would put the Marlins&#8217; accomplishments up against any team in baseball. Their future looks bright as well, with a talented young team, a good young manager, a fantastic GM and a stocked minor league system that is the envy of most of the teams in baseball. </p>
<p>Oh, and I forgot to mention, Loria and Samson accomplished what two other ownership groups were unable to do in 10 years &#8212; secure a new stadium! That makes all the difference in the world for this team&#8217;s future. </p>
<p>So, despite Dave&#8217;s almost irrational hatred, Loria has been a successful owner &#8211; a world series championship, winning records in four of the past six years and a new stadium. Not too damn shabby. </p>
<p>All in all, I&#8217;d say that, while not the traditional way of running a team, this is one of the best run organizations in baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Siegrist</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-29/#comment-69260</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Siegrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The current roster is still populated with the returns from the firesale of talent acquired prior to Loria’s ownership and the current front office.&quot;

No, it&#039;s not. Not even close. Josh Johnson, Dan Uggla, Jeremy Hermida, Matt Lindstrom, Ricky Nolasco, Chris Volstad, Cody Ross... all &#039;pure&#039; Beinfest players, and that&#039;s hardly the end of the list. Not to mention the credit he should get for actually cashing in on the fire sales of players like Beckett and Cabrera (both Dombrowski signings), unlike say, the Twins and Johan Santana.

I fully understand the Loria hatred, but this is simply an indefensible, asinine ranking. The Marlins have a better chance of winning a World Series in the next five years than half the clubs in baseball, toxic owner or no toxic owner.

If Dave wanted to generate a bit of controversy, mission accomplished. If he wanted to seem a credible judge of MLB organizations, epic fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The current roster is still populated with the returns from the firesale of talent acquired prior to Loria’s ownership and the current front office.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not. Not even close. Josh Johnson, Dan Uggla, Jeremy Hermida, Matt Lindstrom, Ricky Nolasco, Chris Volstad, Cody Ross&#8230; all &#8216;pure&#8217; Beinfest players, and that&#8217;s hardly the end of the list. Not to mention the credit he should get for actually cashing in on the fire sales of players like Beckett and Cabrera (both Dombrowski signings), unlike say, the Twins and Johan Santana.</p>
<p>I fully understand the Loria hatred, but this is simply an indefensible, asinine ranking. The Marlins have a better chance of winning a World Series in the next five years than half the clubs in baseball, toxic owner or no toxic owner.</p>
<p>If Dave wanted to generate a bit of controversy, mission accomplished. If he wanted to seem a credible judge of MLB organizations, epic fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,  I would unquestionably put this team in the top 5.  Has any team ever been better at drafting young talent than the Marlins?  It takes almost no skill to win when you have a market that is 11x bigger than miami such as NYC, but to win in Miami is a near miracle.  It is the poorest city above a million people in the USA and it is has almost no extended market.  So give this team a break.  They are geniuses to even be able to win 60 games not to mention two World Series.

If a third team was added to NYC it would still have the three biggest revenue teams in the country.  So winning their takes zero skill.  Losing there shows the Yankees are absolutely clueless about how to build a franchise.  They just throw money at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,  I would unquestionably put this team in the top 5.  Has any team ever been better at drafting young talent than the Marlins?  It takes almost no skill to win when you have a market that is 11x bigger than miami such as NYC, but to win in Miami is a near miracle.  It is the poorest city above a million people in the USA and it is has almost no extended market.  So give this team a break.  They are geniuses to even be able to win 60 games not to mention two World Series.</p>
<p>If a third team was added to NYC it would still have the three biggest revenue teams in the country.  So winning their takes zero skill.  Losing there shows the Yankees are absolutely clueless about how to build a franchise.  They just throw money at it.</p>
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		<title>By: ThundaPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThundaPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t look now but,

The city complies.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&amp;content_id=4055912&amp;vkey=news_mlb&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=mlb

Marlins&#039; ballpark vote passes
Retractable-roof stadium slated for 2012 opening

This certainly shakes up the future quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t look now but,</p>
<p>The city complies.</p>
<p><a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&amp;content_id=4055912&amp;vkey=news_mlb&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=mlb" rel="nofollow">http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&amp;content_id=4055912&amp;vkey=news_mlb&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=mlb</a></p>
<p>Marlins&#8217; ballpark vote passes<br />
Retractable-roof stadium slated for 2012 opening</p>
<p>This certainly shakes up the future quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve read through #25-28, and I&#039;ve yet to find a team with a better chance at a WS than the Marlins over the next 4 or so years.

Let&#039;s assume a bad case scenario--that Loria will not spend any real money. Even so, they still have lots of high upside major and minor leaguers who can pan out and provide great performances at no salary.  A great young rotation whose biggest issue is health means there&#039;s plenty of potential for a nice 2H/playoff run where everything clicks. Some good hitting talent, a good eye for cheap filler talent in the front office, and potential in Maybin, Morrison, Stanton means they can have a real shot at a WS without any big FA signings.

I&#039;d much rather have that than the Royals prospects for a WS.  Even if the Royals have more dollars--the Marlins has a front office that knows how to value players.  Even with few dollars, the Marlins have decent odds to pull off another version of their previous 2 WS runs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve read through #25-28, and I&#8217;ve yet to find a team with a better chance at a WS than the Marlins over the next 4 or so years.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume a bad case scenario&#8211;that Loria will not spend any real money. Even so, they still have lots of high upside major and minor leaguers who can pan out and provide great performances at no salary.  A great young rotation whose biggest issue is health means there&#8217;s plenty of potential for a nice 2H/playoff run where everything clicks. Some good hitting talent, a good eye for cheap filler talent in the front office, and potential in Maybin, Morrison, Stanton means they can have a real shot at a WS without any big FA signings.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather have that than the Royals prospects for a WS.  Even if the Royals have more dollars&#8211;the Marlins has a front office that knows how to value players.  Even with few dollars, the Marlins have decent odds to pull off another version of their previous 2 WS runs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you happen to miss the part where Nolasco posted an 11 to 1 strikeout-to-walk ratio over his last twenty starts?

And you say Dave is the comedian...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you happen to miss the part where Nolasco posted an 11 to 1 strikeout-to-walk ratio over his last twenty starts?</p>
<p>And you say Dave is the comedian&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KingKirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingKirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So....implying that Loria is worse than Hitler is okay, but a dumb little fart joke isn&#039;t??? Good to know. This site is pretty ridiculous sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;.implying that Loria is worse than Hitler is okay, but a dumb little fart joke isn&#8217;t??? Good to know. This site is pretty ridiculous sometimes.</p>
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