Comments on: Pads Succeed While Giles Flounders http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:07:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: wobatus http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-80401 wobatus Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:39:24 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-80401 BTW, Gonzalez's war was 3.3 in 2006 to Giles 1.1, and 3.9 to 3.3 in 2007. Over last 3 years, he was better. He sure is better now. That wsn't that hard to guess was probable. BTW, Gonzalez’s war was 3.3 in 2006 to Giles 1.1, and 3.9 to 3.3 in 2007. Over last 3 years, he was better. He sure is better now. That wsn’t that hard to guess was probable.

]]> By: wobatus http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-80396 wobatus Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:19:55 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-80396 Also, replacement level rf ws evidently lower than replacement levl 1b in 2008. I still think Gonzalez's 24 more home runs is worth more than Giles's 8 more doubles, etc. The o has to come from somewhere. The idea that just because Giles is that much better than a replacement level player in 2008 makes him the better player seems way too forest for the trees. Also, replacement level rf ws evidently lower than replacement levl 1b in 2008. I still think Gonzalez’s 24 more home runs is worth more than Giles’s 8 more doubles, etc. The o has to come from somewhere. The idea that just because Giles is that much better than a replacement level player in 2008 makes him the better player seems way too forest for the trees.

]]> By: wobatus http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-80393 wobatus Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:11:44 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-80393 But in 2006 and 2007 Gonzalez had a higher wOBA, Giles is aging, Gonzalez coming into his prime, etc. That Giles abysmal season has continued and Gonzalez has been incredible gives me 20/20 hindsight, but I think this was true no matter what the 2008 stats say. Plus I am not sure uzr is the be all and end all. Plus Giles is a serious ass of a woman beater and all around moronic jock. OK, that was gratuitous. Giles was a very good player for a long time, with petco masking his worth, although petco alone was not wholly responsible for his power decline. And his babip is really awful this year. I'd say even given the 2008 wars, the idea he was their best player was incorrect. But in 2006 and 2007 Gonzalez had a higher wOBA, Giles is aging, Gonzalez coming into his prime, etc. That Giles abysmal season has continued and Gonzalez has been incredible gives me 20/20 hindsight, but I think this was true no matter what the 2008 stats say. Plus I am not sure uzr is the be all and end all. Plus Giles is a serious ass of a woman beater and all around moronic jock. OK, that was gratuitous.

Giles was a very good player for a long time, with petco masking his worth, although petco alone was not wholly responsible for his power decline. And his babip is really awful this year. I’d say even given the 2008 wars, the idea he was their best player was incorrect.

]]> By: Keith http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72944 Keith Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:15:01 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72944 Worst player in baseball? Man, after watching 14 games of Cody Ransom I find that hard to believe. :p Worst player in baseball?

Man, after watching 14 games of Cody Ransom I find that hard to believe. :p

]]> By: marcello http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72907 marcello Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:19:17 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72907 You're on a site where you can easily look this up yourself: http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Padres&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2008&month=0 You’re on a site where you can easily look this up yourself:

http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Padres&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2008&month=0

]]> By: Brett http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72906 Brett Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:17:02 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72906 Giles is probably just throwing games until he gets enough money to pay off his wife for spousal abuse. Okay I don't actually believe that, and he'll turn things around soon but he's been terrible this year. I wonder if his off the field issues have anything to do with his struggles Giles is probably just throwing games until he gets enough money to pay off his wife for spousal abuse.

Okay I don’t actually believe that, and he’ll turn things around soon but he’s been terrible this year. I wonder if his off the field issues have anything to do with his struggles

]]> By: Kevin S. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72889 Kevin S. Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:29:37 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72889 I'm also not sure why it's so utterly impossible that a 38 y.o. player could just suddenly lose it. Unlikely, certainly, but not unheard of. I'm certainly saying he's toast, but I'm not sure why we exclude the possibility. I’m also not sure why it’s so utterly impossible that a 38 y.o. player could just suddenly lose it. Unlikely, certainly, but not unheard of. I’m certainly saying he’s toast, but I’m not sure why we exclude the possibility.

]]> By: Mr. Derp http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72887 Mr. Derp Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:57:26 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72887 Adrian Gonzalez? Adrian Gonzalez?

]]> By: marcello http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72881 marcello Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:39:04 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72881 In 2008, he was. In 2008, he was.

]]> By: Bill http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pads-succeed-while-giles-flounders/#comment-72876 Bill Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:59:37 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4437#comment-72876 That conclusion seems hasty to me. Giles has been terrible, yeah, but almost everyone else (Hundley, Gonzalez, Eckstein, Rodriguez, Gerut) has been seriously overperforming, which seems to me to more than balance out. When things even out, you've got Giles playing much better, but all those guys playing considerably worse (or less great, in Adrian's case), and I think they turn out basically the way we all thought they would. That conclusion seems hasty to me. Giles has been terrible, yeah, but almost everyone else (Hundley, Gonzalez, Eckstein, Rodriguez, Gerut) has been seriously overperforming, which seems to me to more than balance out. When things even out, you’ve got Giles playing much better, but all those guys playing considerably worse (or less great, in Adrian’s case), and I think they turn out basically the way we all thought they would.

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