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		<title>By: aj</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127459</link>
		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like Matthew Carruth&#039;s 10% pinch-hitting toll has on bench players, it would be interesting to also know what effect the presence of a 12th pitcher has on the other 11 pitchers. Does the extra rest help or not? Does not having to pitch in the low-leverage situations keep them sharp or not? Unfortunately I doubt there&#039;s enough data draw any meaningful conclusions. And what we have would be skewed by managers&#039; varying usage of the 12th man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like Matthew Carruth&#8217;s 10% pinch-hitting toll has on bench players, it would be interesting to also know what effect the presence of a 12th pitcher has on the other 11 pitchers. Does the extra rest help or not? Does not having to pitch in the low-leverage situations keep them sharp or not? Unfortunately I doubt there&#8217;s enough data draw any meaningful conclusions. And what we have would be skewed by managers&#8217; varying usage of the 12th man.</p>
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		<title>By: PhD Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127305</link>
		<dc:creator>PhD Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have wondered for years why this is not a common thing.  Seems natural to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have wondered for years why this is not a common thing.  Seems natural to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Kazmir</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127251</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Kazmir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been talking about how catcher might be the perfect spot for a natural platoon.  You&#039;re going to have two no matter what, might as well find a guy that mashes lefties to pair up with a guy that destroys righthanders.  Supply isn&#039;t exactly deep, but if you could have Gregg Zaun paired up with Kelly Shoppach you&#039;ll have two catchers that complement each other perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been talking about how catcher might be the perfect spot for a natural platoon.  You&#8217;re going to have two no matter what, might as well find a guy that mashes lefties to pair up with a guy that destroys righthanders.  Supply isn&#8217;t exactly deep, but if you could have Gregg Zaun paired up with Kelly Shoppach you&#8217;ll have two catchers that complement each other perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127241</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That assumes that the team would benefit from reducing wear on the pen.

On teams I follow, it generally seems that there is more than one reliever who is getting almost no work.  Those mop up innings could go to the 6th reliever instead of the 7th.  Since the 6th reliever isn&#039;t pitching too many times a week anyway,.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That assumes that the team would benefit from reducing wear on the pen.</p>
<p>On teams I follow, it generally seems that there is more than one reliever who is getting almost no work.  Those mop up innings could go to the 6th reliever instead of the 7th.  Since the 6th reliever isn&#8217;t pitching too many times a week anyway,.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other questions this raises for me:

*If you had a terrific pinch-runner - a guy who could steal practically at will with an 85% success rate, and he did nothing else for your team...how much would he be worth over the course of a season?  One win?  1.5?  Enough to justify carrying one all year?  

*How many at-bats does a player need, on average, per week in order to remain alert and effective?  This is surely a consideration for the teams that opt to carry four-man benches in the AL.  Pinch-hitting opportunities are almost nil; if your 5th bench guy was only going to get a start every two weeks, he&#039;d probably be terrible in the role anyway, because he&#039;s so rusty when he finally plays.  

*When we&#039;re talking about only four precious bench spots for AL teams, it strikes me that &quot;backup catcher&quot; ends up being a roster slot that produces very little value.  Thinking about alternatives:  When was the last time a team carried a backup catcher with true versatility?  Like, if Jake Fox were to be the A&#039;s backup catcher for 2010, or if Pablo Sandoval was the Giants backup catcher entering last season, Brandon Inge, etc.  A guy who hits or fields well enough to justify playing him signficantly at another position also moonlights as your 30-games-a-year, once-a-week backup catcher.  Does this ever happen anymore?  If not, is it because catcher defense is too important and difficult to entrust it in the hands of someone who is also putting in a lot of work at 3b/1b?   If teams could get away with not carrying a light-hitting backup exclusively devoted to playing catcher, it would free up an additional roster slot for platooning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other questions this raises for me:</p>
<p>*If you had a terrific pinch-runner &#8211; a guy who could steal practically at will with an 85% success rate, and he did nothing else for your team&#8230;how much would he be worth over the course of a season?  One win?  1.5?  Enough to justify carrying one all year?  </p>
<p>*How many at-bats does a player need, on average, per week in order to remain alert and effective?  This is surely a consideration for the teams that opt to carry four-man benches in the AL.  Pinch-hitting opportunities are almost nil; if your 5th bench guy was only going to get a start every two weeks, he&#8217;d probably be terrible in the role anyway, because he&#8217;s so rusty when he finally plays.  </p>
<p>*When we&#8217;re talking about only four precious bench spots for AL teams, it strikes me that &#8220;backup catcher&#8221; ends up being a roster slot that produces very little value.  Thinking about alternatives:  When was the last time a team carried a backup catcher with true versatility?  Like, if Jake Fox were to be the A&#8217;s backup catcher for 2010, or if Pablo Sandoval was the Giants backup catcher entering last season, Brandon Inge, etc.  A guy who hits or fields well enough to justify playing him signficantly at another position also moonlights as your 30-games-a-year, once-a-week backup catcher.  Does this ever happen anymore?  If not, is it because catcher defense is too important and difficult to entrust it in the hands of someone who is also putting in a lot of work at 3b/1b?   If teams could get away with not carrying a light-hitting backup exclusively devoted to playing catcher, it would free up an additional roster slot for platooning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127234</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A steady part-time player who can both hit and play good defense.&quot;  

AND...who won&#039;t bitch excessively about being a part-time player.  I think a small, small additonal factor in the shift to 7-man bullpens is that a hypothetical &quot;5th/6th bench guy&quot; really wouldn&#039;t play that much, and that most players do not prefer to be a part of a platoon.  Many who are put in that role complain about it.  Everyone who is physically capable would prefer to play everyday rather than be a platoon guy, even if someone pointed out their bad splits to them. 

That issue of being underused and the locker room problems it could create doesn&#039;t exist as much with relievers.  They are used to spending a lot of their baseball life just watching the action.  Plus, it&#039;s easier to use a 7th reliever to his full physical capability - to make him feel &quot;useful&quot; - you&#039;ve only to pitch him a few innings a week to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A steady part-time player who can both hit and play good defense.&#8221;  </p>
<p>AND&#8230;who won&#8217;t bitch excessively about being a part-time player.  I think a small, small additonal factor in the shift to 7-man bullpens is that a hypothetical &#8220;5th/6th bench guy&#8221; really wouldn&#8217;t play that much, and that most players do not prefer to be a part of a platoon.  Many who are put in that role complain about it.  Everyone who is physically capable would prefer to play everyday rather than be a platoon guy, even if someone pointed out their bad splits to them. </p>
<p>That issue of being underused and the locker room problems it could create doesn&#8217;t exist as much with relievers.  They are used to spending a lot of their baseball life just watching the action.  Plus, it&#8217;s easier to use a 7th reliever to his full physical capability &#8211; to make him feel &#8220;useful&#8221; &#8211; you&#8217;ve only to pitch him a few innings a week to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: DL80</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/platoons-and-bullpens/#comment-127224</link>
		<dc:creator>DL80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also be interested in seeing if there is any correlation between starting players&#039; first at bat and a pinch hit at bat.  Is there a 10% penalty on every first at bat of a game, regardless of when it is?  Does it apply only to the visitors&#039; team, whose players haven&#039;t had a chance to really get in any game action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also be interested in seeing if there is any correlation between starting players&#8217; first at bat and a pinch hit at bat.  Is there a 10% penalty on every first at bat of a game, regardless of when it is?  Does it apply only to the visitors&#8217; team, whose players haven&#8217;t had a chance to really get in any game action?</p>
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		<title>By: Attractive Nuisance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attractive Nuisance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This warm-up issue is discussed a bit further here: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/2/2/1289125/now-warming-up-in-the-matador-pen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This warm-up issue is discussed a bit further here: <a href="http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/2/2/1289125/now-warming-up-in-the-matador-pen" rel="nofollow">http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/2/2/1289125/now-warming-up-in-the-matador-pen</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I toured Safeco Field (Seattle Mariners) this last weekend. If you walk from the dugout into the hall that leads to the clubhouse on your right there are bathrooms and on the left is a full batting cage and then a video room. I was told there is every possible angle of the game being recorded. Guys come in from an PA and can see what they did in the last PA 30 seconds after it has happened.

I have no idea if any of it helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I toured Safeco Field (Seattle Mariners) this last weekend. If you walk from the dugout into the hall that leads to the clubhouse on your right there are bathrooms and on the left is a full batting cage and then a video room. I was told there is every possible angle of the game being recorded. Guys come in from an PA and can see what they did in the last PA 30 seconds after it has happened.</p>
<p>I have no idea if any of it helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Linuxit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linuxit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not even a matter of roster size.  During roster expansion in September, managers still don&#039;t play strict platoons much. I think it&#039;s just a matter of talent available.  It&#039;s easier to find an effective RP from the minors, than it is to find a steady part-time player who can both hit and play good defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not even a matter of roster size.  During roster expansion in September, managers still don&#8217;t play strict platoons much. I think it&#8217;s just a matter of talent available.  It&#8217;s easier to find an effective RP from the minors, than it is to find a steady part-time player who can both hit and play good defense.</p>
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