Comments on: Previewing Tazawa’s First Start http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:21:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-92960 Chris Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:46:40 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-92960 You were wrong. You were wrong.

]]> By: hennethannun http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90751 hennethannun Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:33:12 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90751 Joe R. I wasn't talk about arbitration, I was talking about options. I admit that am not 100% sure how the options system in baseball works, but my impression that a player had 3 options (with some arcane path for certain players to get a 4th option), each of which could be used to transfer him to and from a minor league affiliate for a full major league season. This would be the 3rd season in which Buchholz has been juggled between Boston and Pawtucket, which led me to assume that this was the last season that would be possible. Is there also a service time component? I didn't think options had anything to do arbitration eligibility. I know that big time stars like Manny Ramirez often retain their options long after they become free agents because they succeeded immediately upon being promoted and never got sent back down to AAA. The point I was trying to make is that if Buchholz can't establish himself in the major leagues soon then he will lose a lot of value to the red sox because he would have to clear waivers to be sent back to AAA, and it's unlikely that nobody else would want him. Joe R.

I wasn’t talk about arbitration, I was talking about options.

I admit that am not 100% sure how the options system in baseball works, but my impression that a player had 3 options (with some arcane path for certain players to get a 4th option), each of which could be used to transfer him to and from a minor league affiliate for a full major league season. This would be the 3rd season in which Buchholz has been juggled between Boston and Pawtucket, which led me to assume that this was the last season that would be possible.

Is there also a service time component? I didn’t think options had anything to do arbitration eligibility. I know that big time stars like Manny Ramirez often retain their options long after they become free agents because they succeeded immediately upon being promoted and never got sent back down to AAA.

The point I was trying to make is that if Buchholz can’t establish himself in the major leagues soon then he will lose a lot of value to the red sox because he would have to clear waivers to be sent back to AAA, and it’s unlikely that nobody else would want him.

]]> By: Joe R http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90727 Joe R Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:20:00 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90727 Buchholz won't hit his arb years until after 2010. Buchholz won’t hit his arb years until after 2010.

]]> By: hennethannun http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90677 hennethannun Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:19:17 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90677 It seems to me that the red sox would much prefer buchholz to tazawa if they had to pick 1 player to establish himself in the majors this year. Buchholz is out of options after this season, no (he was up and down in 2007, 2008 and again this season, so that's all three years of options isn't it)? In any event, the point is that all things being equal, they want buchholz up and will only keep tazawa in the rotation if he excels AND they continue to have a need for him (though i think he can stick in the bullpen if he pitches well). buchholz would have to be much much worse than tazawa to lose his spot to tazawa after wakefield gets back. And even though buchholz allowed too many men on base in NY, he definietly bought himself some time with 6 innings of 2-run ball in yankee stadium. It seems to me that the red sox would much prefer buchholz to tazawa if they had to pick 1 player to establish himself in the majors this year. Buchholz is out of options after this season, no (he was up and down in 2007, 2008 and again this season, so that’s all three years of options isn’t it)?

In any event, the point is that all things being equal, they want buchholz up and will only keep tazawa in the rotation if he excels AND they continue to have a need for him (though i think he can stick in the bullpen if he pitches well). buchholz would have to be much much worse than tazawa to lose his spot to tazawa after wakefield gets back. And even though buchholz allowed too many men on base in NY, he definietly bought himself some time with 6 innings of 2-run ball in yankee stadium.

]]> By: Kampfer http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90560 Kampfer Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:07:22 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90560 I don't know if it is illusion or what, but isn't Tazawa looking better than Buchholz? His secondary pitches are very good. Besides that looping curve that can only fool college hitters, his other breaking pitches are solid plus. Couple with an above average 92 mph fastball, he is your 2/3 starter you wanted for Christmas! I don’t know if it is illusion or what, but isn’t Tazawa looking better than Buchholz?
His secondary pitches are very good. Besides that looping curve that can only fool college hitters, his other breaking pitches are solid plus. Couple with an above average 92 mph fastball, he is your 2/3 starter you wanted for Christmas!

]]> By: Joe R http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90496 Joe R Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:35:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90496 Apparently we're supposed to cater to him or something as Sox fans? Mind me if I'm skeptical about how Dice-K's old throwing regiment would transfer over to MLB given that this guy (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rhodeka01.shtml) is tied for the single season record in HR in Japan. Maybe he should try, I don't know, not throwing 120 pitches to get through 5 innings. Apparently we’re supposed to cater to him or something as Sox fans?

Mind me if I’m skeptical about how Dice-K’s old throwing regiment would transfer over to MLB given that this guy (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rhodeka01.shtml) is tied for the single season record in HR in Japan. Maybe he should try, I don’t know, not throwing 120 pitches to get through 5 innings.

]]> By: mattymatty http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90492 mattymatty Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:08:32 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90492 That would be nice, wouldn't it? But I don't think Dice-K is taking lessons from anyone, which is really part of the problem. That would be nice, wouldn’t it? But I don’t think Dice-K is taking lessons from anyone, which is really part of the problem.

]]> By: Joe R http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90483 Joe R Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:56:39 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90483 Maybe Dice-K can take a lesson from Tazawa in "not walking the bases loaded 101" Maybe Dice-K can take a lesson from Tazawa in “not walking the bases loaded 101″

]]> By: Marcel http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90435 Marcel Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:50:44 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90435 I think you're overstating his stuff a bit. The fastball is average and the curve is fringe average. The slider and the split/change both look solidly above-average or plus pitches. I think you’re overstating his stuff a bit. The fastball is average and the curve is fringe average. The slider and the split/change both look solidly above-average or plus pitches.

]]> By: rizzo http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/previewing-tazawas-first-start/#comment-90422 rizzo Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:31:48 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7827#comment-90422 Wow, i don't know if Tawzawa pitches well wouldn't Buchholz have to go? www.sabertoothedtiger.blogspot.com Wow, i don’t know if Tawzawa pitches well wouldn’t Buchholz have to go?

http://www.sabertoothedtiger.blogspot.com

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