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	<title>Comments on: Rajai Davis &amp; 80 Steals: Part One</title>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rajai-davis-80-steals-part-one/#comment-168652</link>
		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>intriguing read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>intriguing read!</p>
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		<title>By: dbuff</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rajai-davis-80-steals-part-one/#comment-146918</link>
		<dc:creator>dbuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year Davis had a BABIP of .361.  That&#039;s pretty much in line with Bourne, who had a .366, and Crawford, who had a .342.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year Davis had a BABIP of .361.  That&#8217;s pretty much in line with Bourne, who had a .366, and Crawford, who had a .342.</p>
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		<title>By: smokednoak</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rajai-davis-80-steals-part-one/#comment-146871</link>
		<dc:creator>smokednoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 01:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oakland has a stacked outfield depth chart and he happens to be right-handed, meanwhile they have a switch-hitter (Coco Crisp) and two lefties (Ryan Sweeney &amp; Gabe Gross) also on the depth chart. He’s not starting most days.&quot;
Ummm, Rajai is actually slated to start in LF and Gross *might* be the backup (not absolutely determined yet)... time to rethink your analysis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oakland has a stacked outfield depth chart and he happens to be right-handed, meanwhile they have a switch-hitter (Coco Crisp) and two lefties (Ryan Sweeney &amp; Gabe Gross) also on the depth chart. He’s not starting most days.&#8221;<br />
Ummm, Rajai is actually slated to start in LF and Gross *might* be the backup (not absolutely determined yet)&#8230; time to rethink your analysis?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rajai-davis-80-steals-part-one/#comment-139937</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of weeks *later*, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of weeks *later*, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rickey Henderson made similar bold claims regarding Jose Reyes when he was a spring training instructor for the Mets.  I believe he predicted Reyes would steal 100, which obviously never happened.

Henderson was hired by the Mets full-time in mid-July, 2007.  A couple of weeks, Reyes started averaging almost a stolen base attempt per game, after averaging about 3 attempts per five games the whole year.  This led to 26 stolen bases in 31 games, the best stretch of its kind in Reyes&#039; career.  However, it also led to a September in which Reyes was a terribly unproductive hitter, barely keeping his average above .200, and also stopped being an effective base stealer.  Of course, we can debate whether this was cause and effect or coincidence, but I think it&#039;s probably best to take Rickey&#039;s predictions with a grain of salt, and in the best interest of the players involved to play within themselves and not try to emulate (at least the volume of) the most prolific base stealer in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rickey Henderson made similar bold claims regarding Jose Reyes when he was a spring training instructor for the Mets.  I believe he predicted Reyes would steal 100, which obviously never happened.</p>
<p>Henderson was hired by the Mets full-time in mid-July, 2007.  A couple of weeks, Reyes started averaging almost a stolen base attempt per game, after averaging about 3 attempts per five games the whole year.  This led to 26 stolen bases in 31 games, the best stretch of its kind in Reyes&#8217; career.  However, it also led to a September in which Reyes was a terribly unproductive hitter, barely keeping his average above .200, and also stopped being an effective base stealer.  Of course, we can debate whether this was cause and effect or coincidence, but I think it&#8217;s probably best to take Rickey&#8217;s predictions with a grain of salt, and in the best interest of the players involved to play within themselves and not try to emulate (at least the volume of) the most prolific base stealer in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty sure R.J. means &quot;highly unlikely to attempt 103 steals&quot;, and is not referring to the 78% success rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty sure R.J. means &#8220;highly unlikely to attempt 103 steals&#8221;, and is not referring to the 78% success rate.</p>
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		<title>By: scatterbrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>scatterbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious why it&#039;s &quot;highly unlikely&quot; for Davis to maintain a 78% success rate. 

I&#039;m also curious why it&#039;s assumed Davis is &quot;not starting most days&quot; when outfield playing time hasn&#039;t been determined. You mentioned the A&#039;s outfield depth, but the three guys you bring up defense-first guys with single-digit home run power. Davis is the closest thing they have to a leadoff hitter, and he&#039;s got at least April to show whether or not last year&#039;s .360 OBP was a breakout or a fluke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious why it&#8217;s &#8220;highly unlikely&#8221; for Davis to maintain a 78% success rate. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious why it&#8217;s assumed Davis is &#8220;not starting most days&#8221; when outfield playing time hasn&#8217;t been determined. You mentioned the A&#8217;s outfield depth, but the three guys you bring up defense-first guys with single-digit home run power. Davis is the closest thing they have to a leadoff hitter, and he&#8217;s got at least April to show whether or not last year&#8217;s .360 OBP was a breakout or a fluke.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An example of what Rickey could be talking about, mathematically, and unintentionally:

A SB is worth about 0.3 runs. A CS is worth -0.52. If someone goes 7 for 10 on stolen base attempts, then he adds .54 runs of value.

If someone else goes 52 for 80, then he adds 1.04 runs of value. Obviously his success rate is worse, but his running added more value.

Just don&#039;t get all Joe Morgan and try to make a claim that making outs on the basepaths is okay because it&#039;s &quot;aggressive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An example of what Rickey could be talking about, mathematically, and unintentionally:</p>
<p>A SB is worth about 0.3 runs. A CS is worth -0.52. If someone goes 7 for 10 on stolen base attempts, then he adds .54 runs of value.</p>
<p>If someone else goes 52 for 80, then he adds 1.04 runs of value. Obviously his success rate is worse, but his running added more value.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t get all Joe Morgan and try to make a claim that making outs on the basepaths is okay because it&#8217;s &#8220;aggressive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: PL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about Rajai Davis is that up until the 2nd half of last season, he was used strictly as a defensive replacement/PH type, rarely getting a start. In the 2nd half he was used everyday and put up a .372 OBP, which of course was inflated thanks to his astronomical . 380 BABIP over that time period.

He also entered his prime, so maybe Davis both figured it out after being allowed to play everyday and just took his chance and ran (bad pun) with it. When players arent given meaningful playing time from the onset of their career, the numbers they put up during those sporadic times are often extremely skewed. Very few players are going to put up the same numbers pinch hitting as they are starting, so taking in Davis&#039;s previous work is nearly bunk. We need to see him, just like any player, get 500 PA&#039;s in a year before we can start making projections and writing them off. 

That being said: Davis was one of the biggest entertainment machines in the second half of 09, but even then he only swiped 30 bags in 71 games, so 80 looks like a bit of an overstatement. Davis however took a ridiculous amount of bags off sacrifices and singles so even if he doesnt get to 80 he should continue maximizing his value on the basepaths anyway. But how often will he get on? Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about Rajai Davis is that up until the 2nd half of last season, he was used strictly as a defensive replacement/PH type, rarely getting a start. In the 2nd half he was used everyday and put up a .372 OBP, which of course was inflated thanks to his astronomical . 380 BABIP over that time period.</p>
<p>He also entered his prime, so maybe Davis both figured it out after being allowed to play everyday and just took his chance and ran (bad pun) with it. When players arent given meaningful playing time from the onset of their career, the numbers they put up during those sporadic times are often extremely skewed. Very few players are going to put up the same numbers pinch hitting as they are starting, so taking in Davis&#8217;s previous work is nearly bunk. We need to see him, just like any player, get 500 PA&#8217;s in a year before we can start making projections and writing them off. </p>
<p>That being said: Davis was one of the biggest entertainment machines in the second half of 09, but even then he only swiped 30 bags in 71 games, so 80 looks like a bit of an overstatement. Davis however took a ridiculous amount of bags off sacrifices and singles so even if he doesnt get to 80 he should continue maximizing his value on the basepaths anyway. But how often will he get on? Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: B N</title>
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		<dc:creator>B N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rickey is almost certainly right about the first part, though I haven&#039;t seen any definite evidence pro/con on the second.  If you try to run every time, that means you have to run against tougher pitcher-catcher combinations.  I mean, last year you could have been Sloth and stolen a base off of the Varitek-Penny combo.  Any fast runner could do that at a high 90&#039;s success rate.  As you steal more bases, you end up stealing in counts that aren&#039;t as good for it and against pitcher/catcher pairs that are harder.  So your success rate should be going steadily down as you make more attempts, unless you are a rock-dumb runner who doesn&#039;t know who is a good bet to steal on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rickey is almost certainly right about the first part, though I haven&#8217;t seen any definite evidence pro/con on the second.  If you try to run every time, that means you have to run against tougher pitcher-catcher combinations.  I mean, last year you could have been Sloth and stolen a base off of the Varitek-Penny combo.  Any fast runner could do that at a high 90&#8242;s success rate.  As you steal more bases, you end up stealing in counts that aren&#8217;t as good for it and against pitcher/catcher pairs that are harder.  So your success rate should be going steadily down as you make more attempts, unless you are a rock-dumb runner who doesn&#8217;t know who is a good bet to steal on.</p>
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